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Yes, There Could Be Serious Legal Problems if Obama Admin Involved in Illegal Surveillance
Law News ^ | 3:45 pm, March 4th, 2017 | by Robert Barnes |

Posted on 03/05/2017 5:09:46 PM PST by drewh

President Trump recently tweeted claiming that former President Obama wiretapped him during his campaign. One can only imagine how nuts the media would have gone if the roles had been reversed: President Trump wiretapping either Obama or the Clintons, though his DOJ could have authority to do just that given the expansive leaks of intelligence information by Obama and Clinton supporters the last few months. Heck, he could wiretap the media at this point, legally and legitimately, as the sources of these unlawful leaks, for which Obama himself set precedent. Do liberals understand what Pandora’s Box Obama opened up by Obama using the powers of the NSA, CIA and FBI to spy on his political opponents? Even Nixon never did that.

If the stories are correct, Obama or his officials might even face prosecution. But, we are still early in all of this and there are a lot of rumors flying around so the key is if the reports are accurate. We just don’t know at this time. The stories currently are three-fold: first, that Obama’s team tried to get a warrant from a regular, Article III federal court on Trump, and was told no by someone along the way (maybe the FBI), as the evidence was that weak or non-existent; second, Obama’s team then tried to circumvent the federal judiciary’s independent role by trying to mislabel the issue one of “foreign agents,” and tried to obtain a warrant from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act “courts”, and were again turned down, when the court saw Trump named (an extremely rare act of FISA court refusal of the government, suggesting the evidence was truly non-existent against Trump); and so, third, Obama circumvented both the regular command of the FBI and the regularly appointed federal courts, by placing the entire case as a FISA case (and apparently under Sally Yates at DOJ) as a “foreign” case, and then omitted Trump’s name from a surveillance warrant submitted to the FISA court, which the FISA court unwittingly granted, which Obama then misused to spy on Trump and many connected to Trump. Are these allegations true? We don’t know yet, but if any part of them are than Obama and/or his officials could face serious trouble.

Can a President be charged with a crime? Only once out of office. While in office, impeachment remains the exclusive remedy in order to avoid a single judicial branch trying to overturn an election, such as a grand jury in any part of the country could. Once out of office, a President remains immune from civil liability for his duties while President, under a 1982 decision of the United States Supreme Court. However, as the Nixon pardon attests, nothing forecloses a criminal prosecution of the President after his presidency is complete for crimes against the country. Obama, the Constitutional lawyer, should know that.

What crimes could have been committed? Ironically, for Democrats falsely accusing Attorney General Sessions, perjury and conspiracy to commit perjury, as well as intentional violations of FISA. Rather shockingly, no law currently forbids misusing the power of the presidency to spy on one’s adversaries. What the law does forbid is lying to any judicial officer to obtain any means of surveillance. What the law does forbid, under criminal penalty, is the misuse of FISA. Both derive from the protections of the Fourth Amendment itself. Under section 1809, FISA makes it a crime for anyone to either “engage in” electronic surveillance under “color of law” under FISA without following the law’s restrictions, or “disclose” or “use” information gathered from it in contravention of the statute’s sharp constrictions.

FISA, 50 USC 1801, et seq., is a very limited method of obtaining surveillance authority. The reason for its strict limits is that FISA evades the regular federal court process, by not allowing regularly, Constitutionally appointed federal judges and their magistrates to authorize surveillance the Fourth Amendment would otherwise forbid. Instead, the Chief Justice handpicks the FISA court members, who have shown an exceptional deference to the executive branch. This is because FISA court members trust the government is only bringing them surveillance about pending terror attacks or “grave hostile” war-like attacks, as the FISA statute limits itself to. Thus, a FISA application can only be used in very limited circumstances.

One important reminder about electronic surveillance. Occasionally, a law enforcement officer will hear or see or record information not allowed by the warrant, but incidental or accidental to otherwise lawful surveillance. Their job is to immediately stop listening, stop recording, and to delete such information. This is what you occasionally see in films where the agent in the van hears the conversation turn away from something criminal to a personal discussion, and the agent then turns off the listening device and stops the recording. Such films simply recognize long-standing legal practice.

FISA can only be used for “foreign intelligence information.” Now that sounds broad, but is in fact very limited under the law. The only “foreign intelligence information” allowed as a basis for surveillance is information necessary to protect the United States against actual or potential “grave” “hostile” attack, war-like sabotage or international terror. Second, it can only be used to eavesdrop on conversations where the parties to the conversation are a foreign power or an agent of a foreign power. An agent of a foreign power cannot be a United States person unless they are knowingly involved in criminal espionage. No warrant is allowed on that person unless a FISA court finds probable cause the United States person is knowingly engaged in criminal espionage. Even then, if it involves a United States person, special steps must be taken to “minimize the acquisition and retention, and prohibit the dissemination, of non publicly available information concerning un-consenting United States persons.”

This includes procedures that require they never identify the person, or the conversation, being surveilled, to the public where that information is not evidence of a particular crime. Third, the kind of information sought concerns solely information about a pending or actual attack on the country. That is why the law limits itself to sabotage incidents involving war, not any form or kind of “sabotage,” explicitly limiting itself to those acts identified in section 105 of Title 18 of the United States Code.

This bring us to Watergate-on-Steroids, or #ObamaGate. Here are the problematic aspects of the Obama surveillance on Trump’s team, and on Trump himself. First, it is not apparent FISA could ever be invoked. Second, it is possible Obama’s team may have perjured themselves before the FISA court by withholding material information essential to the FISA court’s willingness to permit the government surveillance. Third, it could be that Obama’s team illegally disseminated and disclosed FISA information in direct violation of the statute precisely prohibiting such dissemination and disclosure. FISA prohibits, under criminal penalty, Obama’s team from doing any of the three.

At the outset, the NSA should have never been involved in a domestic US election. Investigating the election, or any hacking of the DNC or the phishing of Podesta’s emails, would not be a FISA matter. It does not fit the definition of war sabotage or a “grave” “hostile” war-like attack on the United States, as constrictively covered by FISA. It is your run-of-the-mill hacking case covered by existing United States laws that require use of the regular departments of the FBI, Department of Justice, and Constitutionally Senate-appointed federal district court judges, and their appointed magistrates, not secretive, deferential FISA courts.

Out of 35,000+ requests for surveillance, the FISA court has only ever rejected a whopping 12. Apparently, according to published reports, you can add one more to that — even the FISA court first rejected Obama’s request to spy on Trump’s team under the guise of an investigation into foreign agents of a pending war attack, intelligence agents apparently returned to the court, where, it is my assumption, that they did not disclose or divulge all material facts to the court when seeking the surveillance the second time around, some of which they would later wrongfully disseminate and distribute to the public. By itself, misuse of FISA procedures to obtain surveillance is itself, a crime.

This raises the second problem: Obama’s team submission of an affidavit to to the FISA court. An application for a warrant of any kind requires an affidavit, and that affidavit may not omit material factors. A fact is “material” if it could have the possible impact of impacting the judicial officer deciding whether to authorize the warrant. Such affidavits are the most carefully drawn up, reviewed, and approved affidavits of law enforcement in our system precisely because they must be fully-disclosing, forthcoming, and include any information a judge must know to decide whether to allow our government to spy on its own. My assumption would be that intelligence officials were trying to investigate hacking of DNC which is not even a FISA covered crime, so therefore serious questions arise about what Obama administration attorneys said to the FISA court to even consider the application. If the claim was “financial ties” to Russia, then Obama knew he had no basis to use FISA at all.

Since Trump was the obvious target, the alleged failure to disclose his name in the second application could be a serious and severe violation of the obligation to disclose all material facts. Lastly, given the later behavior, it is evident any promise in the affidavit to protect the surveilled information from ever being sourced or disseminated was a false promise, intended to induce the illicit surveillance. This is criminalized both by federal perjury statutes, conspiracy statutes, and the FISA criminal laws themselves.

That raises the third problem: it seems the FISA-compelled protocols for precluding the dissemination of the information were violated, and that Obama’s team issued orders to achieve precisely what the law forbids, if published reports are true about the administration sharing the surveilled information far-and-wide to promote unlawful leaks to the press. This, too, would be its own crime, as it brings back the ghost of Hillary’s emails — by definition, FISA information is strictly confidential or it’s information that never should have been gathered. FISA strictly segregates its surveilled information into two categories: highly confidential information of the most serious of crimes involving foreign acts of war; or, if not that, then information that should never have been gathered, should be immediately deleted, and never sourced nor disseminated. It cannot be both.

Recognizing this information did not fit FISA meant having to delete it and destroy it. According to published reports, Obama’s team did the opposite: order it preserved, ordered the NSA to search it, keep it, and share it; and then Obama’s Attorney General issued an order to allow broader sharing of information and, according to the New York Times, Obama aides acted to label the Trump information at a lower level of classification for massive-level sharing of the information. The problem for Obama is simple — if it could fit a lower level of classification, then it had to be deleted and destroyed, not disseminated and distributed, under crystal clear FISA law. Obama’s team’s admission it could be classified lower, yet taking actions to insure its broadest distribution, could even put Obama smack-middle of the biggest unlawful surveillance and political-opponent-smear campaign since Nixon. Except even Nixon didn’t use the FBI and NSA for his dirty tricks.

Watergate would have never happened if Nixon felt like he could just ask the FBI or NSA to tape the calls. This is Hoover-esque abuses of the kind Bob Woodward pal, former FBI Assistant Director Mark Felt (otherwise known as Deep Throat), routinely engaged in at the FBI until convicted and removed from office. (You didn’t know that Deep Throat was really a corrupt part of Deep State, did you? Guess who ran the famous COINTELPRO? That’s right — Deep Throat. How would the public have reacted if they knew the media had been in bed with the deep state all the way back then? Maybe that was the reason Woodward, Bernstein and Bradley kept Deep Throat’s identity secret all those years?)

Democrats may regret Sessions’ recusal, as his replacement is a mini-Sessions: a long-respected, a-political, highly ethical prosecutor, Dana Boente, whose reputation is well-warranted from his service at the Tax Division, and who won’t be limited by any perceived ties to Trump, given his prior appointment by Obama. Obama himself appeared scared of Boente, as he removed Boente from the successor-to-Sessions position during the lame-duck part of Obama’s presidency, but Trump restored Boente to that role earlier this month. Democrats may get the investigation they wanted, but it may be their own that end up named in the indictment.

Robert Barnes is a California-based trial attorney whose practice focuses on tax defense, civil rights and First Amendment law. You can follow him at @Barnes_Law

This is an opinion piece. The views expressed in this article are those of just the author.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: fisa; fisarepository
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To: MrEdd
"How many times will people extremely desperate to block out cogent legal analysis of the issue whine and complain trying to hide this?"

You ought to get your drug habit under control, it's making you say such foolish things.
21 posted on 03/05/2017 5:46:49 PM PST by Enchante (Libtards are enemies of true civilization!)
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To: Karl Spooner

That’s actually an insult to Nixon. Lol.


22 posted on 03/05/2017 5:46:56 PM PST by laplata ( Liberals/Progressives have diseased minds.)
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To: Karl Spooner

That’s disturbing.


23 posted on 03/05/2017 5:46:58 PM PST by ez ("Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is." - Milton)
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To: drewh
Democrats may regret Sessions’ recusal, as his replacement is a mini-Sessions: a long-respected, a-political, highly ethical prosecutor, Dana Boente, whose reputation is well-warranted from his service at the Tax Division, and who won’t be limited by any perceived ties to Trump, given his prior appointment by Obama. Obama himself appeared scared of Boente, as he removed Boente from the successor-to-Sessions position during the lame-duck part of Obama’s presidency, but Trump restored Boente to that role earlier this month. Democrats may get the investigation they wanted, but it may be their own that end up named in the indictment.

I owe Mr. Boente a huge apology since I impugned his integrity the other day. Guilty by virtue of being an Obama appointee and not knowing the facts about the man. Sic them Dana.

24 posted on 03/05/2017 5:49:16 PM PST by Robert DeLong
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To: Enchante

Alas, your reading skills fall short again. Not only were you in such a hurry to harass a poster that you failed to pay attention to the first comment...you also were in such a frenzy to avoid having to face a mistake that you imagined something in my post that wasn’t there.

I never said who posted the article or the post. Your psychosis invented it to avoid you having to face your error.

Gday


25 posted on 03/05/2017 5:50:58 PM PST by Principled (OMG I'm so tired of all this winning....)
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To: laplata

It was a lot more than twice, so your question is irrelevant.

Anyway, I’ve hardly ever objected to seeing an article re-posted here, but by the 5th or 6th time it sure does get tedious.

Site policy is that before posting an article people are supposed to do a search, and avoid duplicating material already posted. I think the main concern is to limit the server loads, but also not to have numerous separate comment threads on the same article.

Your issue with with the mods, not with me. I merely referred to what I have seen to be the site’s policy for the 16 years or so that I have been around FR.


26 posted on 03/05/2017 5:51:43 PM PST by Enchante (Libtards are enemies of true civilization!)
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To: Enchante

Not all of us are here 24/7 and therefore don’t see everything.

The server loads explanation makes sense.


27 posted on 03/05/2017 5:57:02 PM PST by laplata ( Liberals/Progressives have diseased minds.)
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To: Principled

You are confused, seriously.

Go back and look at #1 and #2 comments.

drewh who posted the article/thread is not the one who noted it had been posted previously.

Don’t insult people when you have no idea wtf you’re talking about.


28 posted on 03/05/2017 5:58:10 PM PST by Enchante (Libtards are enemies of true civilization!)
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To: drewh
The extent of damage done- who knows?

Obama administration had restrictions on NSA reversed in 2011

29 posted on 03/05/2017 6:00:03 PM PST by TADSLOS (Reset Underway!)
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To: Enchante

Credit where credit is due.

You made it clear that you don’t want this article being widely read. Nothing in your post would suggest why.


30 posted on 03/05/2017 6:01:34 PM PST by MrEdd (MrEdd)
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To: drewh

A very good article. I wish this quality of writing was everywhere in the media.


31 posted on 03/05/2017 6:05:06 PM PST by BlackVeil ('The past is never dead. It's not even past.' William Faulkner)
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To: laplata

Yes it is, but not a whole lot of people know the whole context of the matter. 90% of the people still believe Nixon ordered the break in to win an election. My as well put that myth on their buddy, Obama, who probably did break the law to win an election.


32 posted on 03/05/2017 6:06:10 PM PST by Karl Spooner
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To: MrEdd

Your reasoning skills are so defective that you attribute your false beliefs to me. FR policy is that one article should not be posted 5+ times.

I’m certainly glad for this article to be “widely read” — in fact I circulated it today to my own sizable email list. Your statements are false because you don’t know how to think clearly and with rigor. You make unwarranted assumptions.


33 posted on 03/05/2017 6:10:49 PM PST by Enchante (Libtards are enemies of true civilization!)
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To: Karl Spooner

Yes it is, but not a whole lot of people know the whole context of the matter. 90% of the people still believe Nixon ordered the break in to win an election. My as well put that myth on their buddy, Obama, who probably did break the law to win an election.


I agree completely. :)


34 posted on 03/05/2017 6:14:47 PM PST by laplata ( Liberals/Progressives have diseased minds.)
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To: drewh
Obama, the Constitutional lawyer, should know that.

Oh, brother. Where to begin.

35 posted on 03/05/2017 6:17:37 PM PST by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: Enchante

Your issue with with the mods, not with me.


In that case your issue is with the mods and not the poster. I have not seen you “ping’ a Moderator. You might do that.


36 posted on 03/05/2017 6:18:13 PM PST by laplata ( Liberals/Progressives have diseased minds.)
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To: Enchante
How many times will this article be posted?

Until I, a long-time FReeper, find it and get to read it. Works for me.

37 posted on 03/05/2017 6:31:45 PM PST by SamuraiScot
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To: drewh

Remember:

Obama wiretapped the parents of Fox News’s James Rosen — with no legal authority that I know of.

He illegally used the IRS to punish political opponents.

He illegally used an executive order to give amnesty to “Dreamers” — a power even he admitted he didn’t have.

He and Eric Holder intervened ion the ongoing case against the New Black panthers to end the prosecution — after the Bush Administration had essentially gotten them convicted.

So why wouldn’t hve wiretap Trump, with or without a warrant?


38 posted on 03/05/2017 7:59:57 PM PST by TBP (0bama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

70 times is just barely enuf


39 posted on 03/05/2017 8:13:29 PM PST by advertising guy (I cannot wait for the book KILLING O'REILLY)
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To: drewh

Good read! Bookmarking.


40 posted on 03/05/2017 9:17:33 PM PST by SueRae (An administration like no other.)
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