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Group finds mass grave at former Catholic orphanage in Ireland
Fox News ^ | March 4, 2017 | Associated Press

Posted on 03/04/2017 5:10:41 AM PST by FourtySeven

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Pray for the families affected and for the babies themselves (if you're so inclined).
1 posted on 03/04/2017 5:10:41 AM PST by FourtySeven
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To: FourtySeven

Surely this is ancient news!


2 posted on 03/04/2017 5:14:02 AM PST by miss marmelstein
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To: miss marmelstein

I was born around the time the orphanage closed and I certainly do NOT consider myself to be “ancient”!


3 posted on 03/04/2017 5:17:01 AM PST by lightman (Trump = A glourius amalgamation of Andrew Jackson, Teddy Roosevelt, and Ronald Reagan!)
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To: miss marmelstein

This is a new development in the case confirming the remains discovered were human baby remains that date from the 1950’s and also that they weren’t from before the orphanage was built.


4 posted on 03/04/2017 5:17:29 AM PST by FourtySeven (47)
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To: FourtySeven

I don’t understand the fuss. It seems that the government has bones and through DNA the bones are matched to death certificates. Seeming mass burials are not uncommon at state run asylums as graves tend to intrude upon one another over time.


5 posted on 03/04/2017 5:21:16 AM PST by Lion Den Dan
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To: FourtySeven

“The government’s commissioner for children, Katherine Zappone, said Friday’s findings were “sad and disturbing.” She pledged that the children’s descendants would be consulted on providing proper burials and other memorials.”

These children have no descendants.


6 posted on 03/04/2017 5:25:12 AM PST by euram
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To: Lion Den Dan
Seeming mass burials are not uncommon at state run asylums as graves tend to intrude upon one another over time.

It is a common monastic practice to exume graves after a couple of decades and place the bones in a special chamber called an ossuary. Nothing irreverent about that--just making the best use of finite resources.

7 posted on 03/04/2017 5:25:37 AM PST by lightman (Trump = A glourius amalgamation of Andrew Jackson, Teddy Roosevelt, and Ronald Reagan!)
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To: FourtySeven

How many kids delivered to orphanages are malnourished, or have severe medical problems beyond the parents means to address, or have been horribly abused? Or are babies with birth defects?

And how many kids in the orphanages are violent and attack others?

Yes, the bodies were not in interred respectfully, but the institution probably struggled just to feed and clothe their charges.

The presence of the remains doesn’t (in and of itself) correlate to causality on the part of the orphanage.

Not that there couldn’t be foul play, certainly the sexual abuse scandals have proven that.


8 posted on 03/04/2017 5:30:06 AM PST by MrEdd (MrEdd)
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To: FourtySeven

Once again something nuns were doing has to be made into something sinister. The simple fact is that any family that wanted to publicly bury their unmarried daughter’s stillborn child could have done so. Families chose to keep it quiet precisely for the same reason why their unmarried daughters were there rather than at home in their own village or neighborhood in the first place.

To me these places were too much of a buy-in of the Victorian era puritanism. Two centuries before the unmarried girl would have simply given birth at home, with her family. There would have been a stigma attached to her, but her child would have been largely be free of it. After the mid-nineteenth century, however, that was all but impossible anywhere in the British Isles.


9 posted on 03/04/2017 5:33:56 AM PST by vladimir998 (Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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To: MrEdd

Some 800 children die mainly in the course of a decade?

And nobody notices, there is no investigation?

Ireland wasn’t central Africa; there was no famine.

????


10 posted on 03/04/2017 5:40:00 AM PST by CondorFlight (I)
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To: vladimir998

Thank goodness today’s unwed mothers are celebrated and some even got their own reality show! The strange fact that the number one indicator of poverty is a single mother is just an anomaly. It’s better that an immature girl raise her children under the care of our benevolent government than have her child adopted by a traditional family who might force the child into some semblance of moral behavior or, even worse, independence.

That presupposes,of course, the mother doesn’t take the preferred option of having her child butchered and sold for parts by Planned Parenthood. Thank goodness we destroyed all that Victorian Puritanical nonsense—we are so much more enlightened these days!


11 posted on 03/04/2017 5:59:17 AM PST by antidisestablishment ( We few, we happy few, we basket of deplorables)
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To: CondorFlight

It isn’t the case that nobody noticed. There were death certificates, though this being Ireland it’s anybody’s guess whether they were digitized and preserved.

800 is not an untoward number, if you consider the mortality rate of children arriving in the state I mentioned.

My daughter had a chromosome dissorder, and I allowed my sister to adopt her because my brother in law could afford the finest available treatments. She outlived her friends with the same condition and lasted until age 20. Were she born in the fifties or even the seventies nothing in medical science existed to prolong her life past age two. Period.

You are entirely ignoring why many of these kids wind up in institutions.

You arent just minimising the state they often arrive in, you are trying to pretend that doesn’t happen and then becoming indignant at people who won’t pretend along with you.


12 posted on 03/04/2017 6:05:49 AM PST by MrEdd (MrEdd)
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“My daughter had a chromosome dissorder, and I allowed my sister to adopt her because my brother in law could afford the finest available treatments. She outlived her friends with the same condition and lasted until age 20.”

That brought tears to my eyes...I cannot imagine the pain that caused. Your handling of the situation was brave and admirable.


13 posted on 03/04/2017 6:30:42 AM PST by moovova
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To: FourtySeven

This stupid, stupid story AGAIN? Hey, people...infant mortality, child mortality used to be really high.


14 posted on 03/04/2017 6:40:22 AM PST by Mamzelle
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To: miss marmelstein

Isn’t this “news” at least ten or more years old? I remember reading of it a long time ago.


15 posted on 03/04/2017 6:40:38 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: FourtySeven

Might as well bring up other old “news of the day”.

NEWS FLASH! UNMARKED GRAVES FOUND AT ARKANSAS PRISON!


16 posted on 03/04/2017 6:43:15 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: FourtySeven

The DC “intelligence” pedophile ring?


17 posted on 03/04/2017 7:15:13 AM PST by GOPJ ("Acting' is the art of lying convincingly. Outside of Hollywood that's 'con-men' stuff..)
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To: miss marmelstein

RE: calous soul dismissive: “Surely this is ancient news!

Do you care about truth?
You do know that the Roman Catholic Crime syndicate ran a very profitable child selling racket in Ireland, Spain and Poland.
International Constitutional Law lawyers and scholars report 300,000 children were trafficked.

Domino go stick’em up, Domino go frisk’em.
God have mercy on all associated, ignorantly supporting ungodly institutional atrocities.

The Cases of ‘Stolen Children’ in Spain and Ireland - ICL-Journal

https://www.icl-journal.com/download/9a1d4e9cee94aae4... Proxy Highlight

Nov 7, 2013 ... In the last fifty decades, Spanish and Irish cases of `Stolen Children´ for the ultimate .... and then processed through false paperwork into “orphans” and then .... sells the child for profit to an organization that will place the child for adoption ..... prisons and institutions under the mandate of the Catholic Church, ...

BBC documentary exposes 50-year scandal of baby trafficking by ...

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2049647/BBC-document... Proxy Highlight

Oct 16, 2011 ... 300,000 babies stolen from their parents - and sold for adoption: Haunting ... 50- year scandal of baby trafficking by the Catholic church in Spain.

PS - not to mention atrocity of modern day indentured slavery...

Ireland says sorry to the 10,000 ‘women slaves’ of its Catholic ...

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2273961/Ireland-says... Proxy Highlight

Feb 5, 2013 ... Ireland finally says sorry to the 10,000 ‘Magdalene Sister slaves’ of its Catholic laundry workhouses who were locked up and brutalised by nuns ...


18 posted on 03/04/2017 7:32:14 AM PST by MarchonDC09122009 (When is our next march on DC? When have we had enough?)
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Why do they all come to me????!


19 posted on 03/04/2017 7:49:22 AM PST by miss marmelstein
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Yes. But it’s bringing out the nuts again.


20 posted on 03/04/2017 7:49:58 AM PST by miss marmelstein
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