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To: Ohioan

They just did on November 8th, and only a few of the main points in my "brand of conservatism," were in play.

That's where you're wrong. Conservatism didn't win on Nov 8th.

White people making a desperate last effort and screaming "SAVE US!" won the election.

Look at the voting demographics.

Trump didn't campaign on many of the Conservative idols such as ending/privatizing Social Security and "Free" Trade.

He didn't preach tax cuts! tax cuts! tax cuts! with a holy furor.

He DID say he would use government power to force companies to stay in the country. That's not "Conservative." That's actually heresy to "Conservatives."

Another reason Conservatism didn't win this election: Trump FOUGHT BACK and hard against the Dems and the media.

Fighting back hard against Liberals is in NO way "Conservative."

There is almost no evidence that any "Conservative" has successfully fought back against Democrat slime going back 50 years.

(Liberals STILL make fun of Dan Quayle. Just one example)

Because that's not what "Conservatives" do. It's not in their mindset. I've observed it for decades, so has all of America.

Read this article about Conservatives, posted here yesterday: http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/02/07/david-horowitz-stephen-miller-a-second-thoughts-warrior/

Fighting back against Liberal hate isn't throwing facts and logic at them. They're immune to that.

Fighting back isn't "I challenge you to a debate!" (I witnessed Ted Cruz do that last year)

Fighting back is calling Hillary Clinton "Crooked" every single day in the world wide media.

Fighting back is bringing Bill Clinton's rape victims to a PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE and explaining to the world what he did.

THAT'S FIGHTING BACK.

Did any Conservatives tell the world about Ted Kennedy and the waitress sandwich? What about Chappaquiddick?

Reagan never talked about that stuff. Conservatives literally worship Reagan, but even he was mostly polite to Democrats.

Conservatives aren't warriors. Far from it.

I know you'll disagree. But America knows that Conservatives aren't warriors, because they have witnessed Conservatives get bitch slapped by Democrats for decades with no pushback. The Horowitz article clearly explains that. I've read many pieces that say the same thing over the years.

Verdict: "Conservatives" are weaklings and p*ssies. I know you disagree, but your opinion doesn't count against the collective opinion of the world and at least 50 years of history.

I think your biggest problem with my argument is that the New Right, Alt Right, whatever doesn't have "Conservative" principles. You think: we're all being fooled by hucksters and statists!

That's where you're wrong. "Conservatives" don't have a monopoly on right wing principles. They don't.

A "Conservative" is a very specific person, with "Conservatism" being a very specific mindset and policy positions (not ideology.)

"Conservatives" are elitist or churchy sissies that claim to want small government and pontificate about the Constitution while the nation is burning around them, because they're too polite to do anything about it.

I'm sure you and many others will disagree with that, but it doesn't matter. That ship sailed long ago. That is the perception, and that perception has been the opinion of American voters for decades. Again, I've read many pieces about voters' perceptions of Republicans over the years. "Stuffy" "Arrogant" "Nerdy"

So what's more important? The actual track record of "Conservatives" and what they think about themselves? Or what America has observed them do, and fail to do, for 50 years?

Again, the New Right, Alt Right, whatever, is just as right wing with most of the same principles about government and society as "Conservatives",
but they're not "Conservatives" because they don't want to lose miserably year after year.

You still haven't explained how "Conservatives" plan to purge Islam from America while maintaining the 1st Amendment Freedom of Religion.

The New Right, Alt Right, whatever WILL have a plan for it.

67 posted on 02/10/2017 2:16:32 PM PST by IDontLikeToPayTaxes
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To: IDontLikeToPayTaxes
You continue to misdefine "Conservative." Republicans pretending to be Conservative, in order to court an angry electorate that feels--correctly feels--betrayed, by posing as champions of traditional American values, do not, indeed cannot, define Conservatism. Frankly, they cannot because there has been a great dumbing down of our politics over the past 166 years, that can be demonstrated by a study of American public discourse.

The true deplorables are those poseurs who would have been laughed out of the county, had they sought to sell their confused objectives & proposals in any County Seat in the 1840s.

Conservative means someone who seeks to Conserve. People who seek to promote grandiose schemes, foreign or domestic, at the expense of their heritage, at the expense of their fellow citizens & native communities are not Conservative.

For example, just who do you think the " White people making a desperate last effort and screaming "SAVE US" were. Who do think is more conservative, more dedicated to conserving American values, those screaming White people--who if you look more closely were generally of this generation of the multi-generational pursuit that is any Nation--or the "never Trump" cadre of poseurs, whose only Conservative value is a desperate effort to pretend to be what they manifestly are not?

You do not change the issues in the slightest by calling the heart of the American Conservative base "desperate White people." You merely obfuscate what Conservatism is all about--has always been all about.

I do not mean to sound arrogant in recommending my Conservative Debate Handbook. You would probably agree with virtually all the Chapters, which deal with much of the subject matter that you set up, with the essential difference, it shows how to get to the resulting issues in the context of the multi-generational project launched by the leaders of the settler communities in the period 1775-1791.

Unlike the sham "Conservatives," denounced, my handbook concedes virtually nothing--nothing whatsoever--to the Left or what has become accepted by far too many Republicans in the 20th & 21st Centuries.

Incidentally, the debate purpose is not really to convert the compulsion driven egalitarian neurotics who have always been the "useful idiots of the Left." It is to expose their indefensible lunacy--to use them as a foil to wake up their victims--that is the rest of us.

70 posted on 02/11/2017 9:24:00 AM PST by Ohioan
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To: IDontLikeToPayTaxes
He DID say he would use government power to force companies to stay in the country. That's not "Conservative." That's actually heresy to "Conservatives."

This is not true. The power of the US federal government to levy trade tariffs is in the Constitution. The Republican party was THE tariff party until WWII. Free Trade is not conservative at all, historically.

Continue....

88 posted on 02/27/2017 1:13:57 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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