Posted on 01/28/2017 9:59:20 AM PST by rktman
It seems unthinkable that in my daily workplace, with armed security and a state hospital police department, there could be other people carrying guns who have no training and who have undergone no background checks (something made legal in 2015 by Kansas law). Historical data and prior criminal events have helped shaped the need for this level of security in the medical center, including a physician and a visitor being shot in the emergency department in 1981.
Our police and security have months and often years of training in the safe handling of firearms and in dealing with people in these unpredictable situations. FBI data from active shooter incidents has shown that unarmed citizens were 20 times more likely to stop an active shooter situation than an individual with a gun.
(Excerpt) Read more at kansascity.com ...
A hospital is the perfect place for a shoot out.
Anti gun newspaper and web site
Today’s print media and communism go hand in hand.
The writer is misquoting the article and skewing the conclusion. The FBI reported #’s of incidents and responders.
There are more unarmed civilians than carriers in the general population. The incidents were predominately at gun free zones where people could not legally carry. Both these facts would lead to > numbers of incidents where the bystanders who intervened were unarmed.
Therefore looking at the # of interventions by bystanders in this study allows no conclusions to be drawn about which class of bystander(unarmed or armed citizen) is more likely to successfully control the situation without injury/loss of life to him/herself, or other bystanders. Our common sense, a quality of which the writer seems totally bereft, is left to make those conclusions.
https://www.fbi.gov/file-repository/active-shooter-study-2000-2013-1.pdf
When a newspaper like the Kansas City Star publishes opinionated excrement from an idiot like Andrew Park, it turns the newspaper into leftist used toilet paper.
Or a scalpel.
Guns in hospitals? Gee,I don't know.The percentage of patients (and friends/family members) *we* saw who had major league psychiatric disorders was huge.
For that matter guns don’t have any place in churches either.
Unless of course you need to defend yourself or others from a madman walking in and shooting everyone in sight.
But you go ahead Doc. Continue to think like the idiot you are.
I’ll bet those dead, untrained souls at Sandy Hook would have preferred to face Adam Lanza with their own weapon.
From the article; “unarmed citizens were 20 times more likely to stop an active shooter situation than an individual with a gun.”
Maybe unarmed citizens outnumber individuals with a gun some 50:1 or better? And that would be like here in AZ where we have constitutional carry. How’s about outside the free country in places like New York and California?
The Kansas City "RED" Star is a prime example
“No place for guns.” Sure. And the violent criminals? Will they hear that and keep away?
What an idiot.
There is never any possibility for crime in a big building filled with every imaginable drug, to which people who have been attacked by criminals but are still alive to testify are taken.
That was exactly my thought.
The applied biologist is either no statistician or a complete fraud engaging in deceptive distortion.
The absurdity of claiming that unarmed people are more effective at stopping someone who’s armed is obvious.
“It seems unthinkable that in my daily workplace, with armed security and a state hospital police department, there could be other people carrying guns who have no training and who have undergone no background checks (something made legal in 2015 by Kansas law).”
So, exactly who do you think all those hospital cops are protecting you against?
What do you call the person who graduates last in their medical school?............Doctor.
Because “gun free” zones are so very effective in discouraging those who would do us harm.
I believe everyone is looking at this the wrong way.
In Reality he is Advocating for Firearms Training in all Public School throughout the State beginning at the age of 10. He appears to only be upset about people being properly trained in the use of firearms.
I think the Legislature should take him up on is offer and make it LAW that ALL Citizens receive Proper Training beginning in the 4th Grade.
Many people seem to labor under the delusion that officers are great shots and civilians are terrible shots. Most who will carry for defensive purposes will spend some time at the range. I'm not suggesting that there are some who won't. But it's not a given that the trained officer is any better than the novice with a modicum of training. This suggests that any civilian with a brief class that includes some range time is no worse than a novice police officer who only has a "very small" disadvantage over a fully trained officer.
Conclusion: Overall, the results of this study indicate that trained officers had a very small advantage in shooting accuracy over intermediate and novice shooters.
- http://www.forcescience.org/articles/naiveshooter.pdf
FBI data from active shooter incidents has shown that unarmed citizens were 20 times more likely to stop an active shooter situation than an individual with a gun.
This is a nonsense statistic and completely unprovable. You would have to identify every person in every active shooting situation who was carrying. Those carrying, given the anti-gun culture we live in are not likely to admit they are carrying (unless directly asked by law enforcement). How many carriers realized there was an active shooter and simply left the scene (secure in the knowledge that if they encountered the shooter they'd shoot back). Furthermore in any setting there are 20-times more non-carrying citizens than carrying precisely because of the anti-gun culture we live in.
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