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Tiny gravity sensor could detect drug tunnels, mineral deposits
science mag ^ | May 2016 | Sid Perkins

Posted on 01/16/2017 12:22:48 PM PST by doug from upland

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To: bert

good idea


21 posted on 01/16/2017 1:17:34 PM PST by The_Republic_Of_Maine (politicians beware)
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To: doug from upland

I want one in my phone. How cool would that be.


22 posted on 01/16/2017 1:17:42 PM PST by AFreeBird (BEST. ELECTION. EVER!)
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To: JD_UTDallas

gravimetric navigation is used by the Navy on submarines, it’s accuracy and the gravity vector maps are all highly classified but yes it not only is possible it is used on a regular basis presently by our boomer subs.

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I learned something new. Thanks.


23 posted on 01/16/2017 1:24:30 PM PST by Moonman62 (Make America Great Again!)
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To: doug from upland

Mineral deposits??? Paging Todd from Gold Rush - that poor SOB needs all the help he can get.


24 posted on 01/16/2017 1:27:10 PM PST by MomwithHope (Missing you /johnny (JRandomFreeper). THE LIBERAL BUBBLE HAS BURST!!!)
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To: DannyTN

Depends on who owns the mineral rights to stuff under your property.

In many states, the surface property owner is not the same as the subsurface mineral owner..................


25 posted on 01/16/2017 1:27:15 PM PST by Red Badger (If "Majority Rule" was so important in South Africa, why isn't it that way here?............)
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To: bert
I can drill a shaft and pump 55 degree air. Cool in summer warm in winter

I hope the EPA doesn't get wind of the plan, they hate it when people get clever without checking with them first so they can kill it.

26 posted on 01/16/2017 1:28:11 PM PST by pepsi_junkie (ui)
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To: JD_UTDallas

Submarine navigation is a very complex problem, mostly you are trying to buy down the errors that inevitably accumulate over time in your primary inertial navigation sensors by periodically getting an occasional position fix from some alternative known source that doesn’t force you to surface. Gravity maps plays a role in getting that fix (one method, there are others) and not, to my knowledge, in the primary navigation function itself. But I’ve been known to be wrong.


27 posted on 01/16/2017 1:33:44 PM PST by pepsi_junkie (ui)
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To: Red Badger

The border between Gaza and Egypt is 14 Kilometers long. The tunnels have been found as deep as 20 meters or 65’.


28 posted on 01/16/2017 1:35:03 PM PST by meatloaf
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To: meatloaf

Time to dig a trench from the Mediterranean to the Red Sea..............Kinda like Exodus in reverse...............


29 posted on 01/16/2017 1:44:30 PM PST by Red Badger (If "Majority Rule" was so important in South Africa, why isn't it that way here?............)
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To: doug from upland

Every golf course groundskeeper will want one.

So they know where to place the dynamite.


30 posted on 01/16/2017 1:59:16 PM PST by cicero2k
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To: doug from upland

They could have used one of these in Vietnam.


31 posted on 01/16/2017 2:00:42 PM PST by samtheman (I hope someone close to Trump is reading a post somewhere in FR right now.)
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To: MomwithHope
Mineral deposits?

Gravity prospecting is appropriate for discovering a new Sudbury complex, but not a handfull of gold nuggets. The force of gravity is exceedingly weak and easily swamped by other factors. Long subject, short answer.
32 posted on 01/16/2017 2:27:18 PM PST by SpaceBar
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To: SpaceBar

I know, I was just making a joke.


33 posted on 01/16/2017 2:34:52 PM PST by MomwithHope (Missing you /johnny (JRandomFreeper). THE LIBERAL BUBBLE HAS BURST!!!)
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To: SpaceBar
Obviously making stuff miniature will help make the instrument smaller, but there is a lot that goes into taking an accurate gravity reading to detect “small” things. I don't recall off the top of my head, but I think a 6-foot tall tunnel at 20 feet deep would be undetectable with even the best gravity meter and conditions.

The elevation needs to be known within a hundredth of a foot as well. And how do you get the data out of the device? I'm sure in the lab they have it wired up to a laptop or something. I suppose they have miniature data sending modules though as well - like bluetooth? I could see where you could “seed” the border with these chips, and see how their readings CHANGE over time.

They would also detect vibrations from foot and vehicle traffic as well if they are sensitive enough. Or - have them combined with a miniature seismic sensor.

I've read where they have, or are developing, sensors for storm watching that measure air pressure, wind speed and velocity and temperature and then relay that to the ground. The sensors are the size of a grain of rice! An airplane drops a bunch of them into the storm cell and away they go.

34 posted on 01/16/2017 2:39:59 PM PST by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts It is happening again.)
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To: 21twelve
a 6-foot tall tunnel at 20 feet deep would be undetectable with even the best gravity meter and conditions...

You are correct. Seismic technology, which is highly refined thanks to our geophysics friends in the petroleum industry is far more do-able from a practical standpoint. Ground penetrating radar is also feasible within certain constraints.
35 posted on 01/16/2017 2:55:54 PM PST by SpaceBar
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To: SpaceBar

The only thing with the seismic or the GPR is that you would need to keep doing the surveys to detect new tunnels. That would be the nice thing about a bunch of static sensors. Maybe just focus on vibration sensors that could also maybe pick up on tunnelling activities.


36 posted on 01/16/2017 4:09:21 PM PST by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts It is happening again.)
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To: SpaceBar

The only thing with the seismic or the GPR is that you would need to keep doing the surveys to detect new tunnels. That would be the nice thing about a bunch of static sensors. Maybe just focus on vibration sensors that could also maybe pick up on tunnelling activities.


37 posted on 01/16/2017 4:09:24 PM PST by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts It is happening again.)
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To: doug from upland

Maybe I’m missing something. If it is sensitive enough to gegister being raised 3mm (1/8”), how does one usefully compare various geolocations, unless sensor height is minutely/absolutely accounted for? How can readings in an airplane he compensated?


38 posted on 01/16/2017 5:19:13 PM PST by polymuser (There's a big basket of deportables.)
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To: doug from upland

ping for later


39 posted on 01/16/2017 5:41:43 PM PST by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: bert

I know a guy who has small lake on his property next to the house. He drained the lake and ran heat pump hose under the lake bed.

Cool in the summer, warm in the winter.


40 posted on 01/16/2017 6:05:37 PM PST by Rebelbase (ABC/NBC/CBS/MSNBC/PBS/CNN/FOX are THE LEGACY MEDIA)
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