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If this is true, and I see no compelling evidence to suggest it is, this shines a whole different light on my opinion of Snowden, and Wikileaks as well. Snowden is a traitor, not a whistleblower. Wikileaks is also an organization underserving of respect.
1 posted on 12/31/2016 5:54:51 PM PST by Robert DeLong
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NSA seems to have faded out the rest of the story....


2 posted on 12/31/2016 5:59:31 PM PST by Paladin2 (No spellcheck. It's too much work to undo the auto wrong word substitution on mobile devices.)
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If it was true, it probably wouldn’t be in the wsj.


3 posted on 12/31/2016 6:00:05 PM PST by Hugh the Scot ( Total War)
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If this is true, and I see no compelling evidence to suggest it is,

I think you should re-read that and decide if it is really what you meant to say.

It does not seem to be the proper argument for your change of opinion.

6 posted on 12/31/2016 6:12:34 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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I feel sorry for anyone who cannot plainly see that Snowden is a Russian spy, recruited 'honey trap' style. Have you seen his "girlfriend". If she isn't a classic Russian recruit used as a honey trap, I DON'T KNOW WHO IS.

Where does Snowden live now? RUSSIA!

Where does Snowden live now? RUSSIA!

Where does Snowden live now? RUSSIA!

Just keep repeating it until it sinks in.

9 posted on 12/31/2016 6:18:33 PM PST by CivilWarBrewing (Females DESTROYED America.)
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President Obama has asserted, Wikileaks, long a tool of the Russian Government..

Oh, yeah, the honest man Diogenes sought, President Obama..


10 posted on 12/31/2016 6:19:11 PM PST by sockmonkey (Donald Trump will ban auto-correct with an Executive Order. Go Trump!)
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I hope he has a wonderful New Years eve in Russia, with a beautiful woman. The NSA turned from an external military spy agency, into a domestic internal Stasi.

They hate him for exposing that, and they fill their newspapers with such articles.


16 posted on 12/31/2016 6:29:47 PM PST by DesertRhino
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Interesting timing of the article given the fact that Direct Tv has the movie Snowden on their list at this time. Many of the reviewers are calling him a true patriot on IMBD.


17 posted on 12/31/2016 6:31:09 PM PST by sarasota
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I would trust Edward Snowden and his motives much more readily than ANYTHING Edward J. Epstein has to say. His book INQUEST came out in ‘78, and is still regarded as a partial Gospel by people too lazy to have delved very deeply in the assassination of JFK. He is one of many disinformation specialists and the fact that his book came out 15 years after the event, suggests that it was intended to quell the rising tide of AUTHENTIC and INDEPENDENT research as to who in fact was behind the assassination. There have been many like Epstein, both before and after him.All you will ever need to know about the assassination can be found in Vincent Salandria’s COPA speech from the 90s, called False Mystery. It’s online. Epstein is and was a CIA asset. It is fitting also that he is associated with M.I.T. , which was put on the map by another “Gatekeeper” and fake “Radical” and fearless “Independent Thinker” , Noam Chomsky.


18 posted on 12/31/2016 6:32:43 PM PST by supremedoctrine ("If you want to be able to predict the future, first you have to create it"---Lincoln)
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One more thing, Mr. De Long, that I forgot to mention, is that it looks like Snowden has taken the place of Oswald , 38 years later-—Epstein’s model for assessing the true identity of Snowden follows lick for lick his bogus assessment of the true identity of LHO, right down to the “Russian girlfriend/wife template. He is a liar-for-hire..


20 posted on 12/31/2016 6:38:28 PM PST by supremedoctrine ("If you want to be able to predict the future, first you have to create it"---Lincoln)
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The NSA lied. We know that now. And we only know it because of Snowden. The US tried everything they could to get Snowden. And they make sure he can never get to another country. Snowden like Assange, are captive because the US wants them to be.

Our government is on the same continuum as the Russian government. Sometimes we are better, sometimes they are. We have not sent a radio-active spy to Britain. I don’t believe we have shot journalists. But we are far from perfect. And we have caused a great deal of trouble in foreign countries.

Ever since the patriot act, our constitution has not been adhered to by our government with regards to spying within the country. Homeland security is simply the beginning of what will evolve into the equivalent of the SS or the KGB. Its just an infant now. But in several years, and with each tragedy, DHS will gradually develop into our worst nightmare.


22 posted on 12/31/2016 6:43:23 PM PST by poinq
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A few things I don't understand... 1. He was in the run living in the slums of Hong Kong. Who are these people? I see that HK makes protesters list their organization. The group is this called "Socialist Action.". Who the heck are they and why are Socialists protesting surveillance? 2. Snowden is on the run, GGW and Poitras come to his aid? Seems like Kabuki theater but maybe I'm wrong there. How did they find him but US Intel did not find him? Think about that one. 3. Why did he only release "NSA is watching you" through your calls and financial transactions etc etc. He had no releases about deaths and disappearances. I'm just asking what I think are legitimate questions. USA Families that have had actual physical harm done to them may be asking the same questions... Why were his releases only about PRISM and metadata and spying, but not about harmful operations. My main question is how did GGW find him but US Intel did not find him.
27 posted on 12/31/2016 7:02:50 PM PST by Proyecto Anonimo
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Snowden likely gave the Russians and Chinese info on those who operate in our intelligence agencies. Thousands are likely in danger, along with their families. As far as I’m concerned I sincerely believe that he’s a horrific traitor and frankly I do not believe that there’s any reason whatsoever that he should be given a pardon. He stole more than just info about the spy programs.


32 posted on 12/31/2016 7:26:36 PM PST by CorporateStepsister (I am NOT going to force a man to make my dreams come true)
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I appreciate that Snowden revealed the unconstitutional actions taken by my government and its many agencies. These actions are illegal and no one has been held accountable yet.

Those who authorized these actions by government should be charged with crimes and held accountable in court.


33 posted on 12/31/2016 7:41:21 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
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Fake News?


36 posted on 12/31/2016 7:47:34 PM PST by mouse1
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I would trust Edward Snowden and his motives much more readily than ANYTHING Edward J. Epstein has to say. His book INQUEST came out in ‘78, and is still regarded as a partial Gospel by people too lazy to have delved very deeply in the assassination of JFK. He is one of many disinformation specialists and the fact that his book came out 15 years after the event, suggests that it was intended to quell the rising tide of AUTHENTIC and INDEPENDENT research as to who in fact was behind the assassination. There have been many like Epstein, both before and after him.All you will ever need to know about the assassination can be found in Vincent Salandria’s COPA speech from the 90s, called False Mystery. It’s online. Epstein is and was a CIA asset. It is fitting also that he is associated with M.I.T. , which was put on the map by another “Gatekeeper” and fake “Radical” , Noam Chomsky.


37 posted on 12/31/2016 7:48:06 PM PST by supremedoctrine ("If you want to be able to predict the future, first you have to create it"---Lincoln)
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The WSJ, no CIA, has written......


39 posted on 12/31/2016 8:19:04 PM PST by RetiredTexasVet (Dan Rather, a 60 Minutes Investigative Reporter for CBS, invented "Fake News"-fake but accurate.)
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Had he sat and identified five serious allegations, and walked out the door with forty classified messages or documents to prove the five allegations, then we would likely refer to him in some positive way.

But instead, he downloaded virtually everything possible, just saying that he or a trusted agent would review everything...protecting what needs to be protected...and later provide allegations and documents at their leisure.

I do agree...he is extremely naive and all this talk of him being bright or competent...he was merely a immature character with no ability to grasp his actions or consequences.


41 posted on 01/01/2017 1:23:07 AM PST by pepsionice
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The NSA is operating totally outside of the Constitution, and has been for years. Period. End of story.

All else is deflection...

43 posted on 01/01/2017 2:05:11 AM PST by sargon (The Revolution is ON! Support President-elect Trump!)
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Lets see, WSJ. Hmmmmmm

Why in the world should we believe in anything coming from any opinion piece in the Murdoch owned media. Was not MeAgain Kelly enough for you? Most likely a story fronted by the likes of McCain, Graham or some other credible source.

As for any opinions of mine, all is on hold until a group of real adults take the reigns.


44 posted on 01/01/2017 4:13:51 AM PST by mazda77
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Not gonna subscribe to the WSJ to read it - they may as well be a subsidiary of the NYT or WaaaaPo these days.


45 posted on 01/01/2017 5:12:33 AM PST by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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