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Court blocks New York City from discarding illegal immigrants' data
reuters ^

Posted on 12/08/2016 1:19:31 PM PST by hotsteppa

A New York state court on Tuesday temporarily stopped New York City from destroying the personal records of hundreds of thousands of municipal I.D. card holders after Republicans argued the records might be needed to track criminals.

Seeking to protect illegal immigrants who fear deportation under a President-elect Donald Trump administration, city officials had been considering destroying the information and said on Tuesday they would stop collecting it starting next month.

Two Republican state lawmakers sued the city on Monday to block any plans to discard the records collected so far, saying they could be needed to investigate individuals who obtained the cards under false pretenses.

A state judge will decide whether to extend the stay after both sides file additional court papers by Dec. 21.

(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...


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It's about time we start getting some decisions in our favor and for common sense. Hope it holds after Dec 21.
1 posted on 12/08/2016 1:19:31 PM PST by hotsteppa
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To: hotsteppa

Too bad they’ve most likely already disposed of it.


2 posted on 12/08/2016 1:20:28 PM PST by WayneS (An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last. - Winston Churchill)
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To: hotsteppa

What is it about the word “illegal” that New York officials do not understand???


3 posted on 12/08/2016 1:21:57 PM PST by JBW1949 (I'm really PC....PATRIOTICALLY CORRECT!!!!)
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To: hotsteppa

Democrats do love to wipe the server.


4 posted on 12/08/2016 1:23:02 PM PST by dblshot (I am John Galt.)
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To: hotsteppa
Excellent: TE

not tired yet...

5 posted on 12/08/2016 1:23:23 PM PST by DoughtyOne (jcon40, "Are we be coming into the age of Sanity?")
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To: hotsteppa

This has always been the question I’ve never understood about these state and local level efforts, how does one just walk into the DMV and say, “I’m here illegally, can I please have a driver’s license”. It never made any sense to me. I hope Trump’s 2nd move after deporting all known criminal aliens is to deport everyone who’s already given us their names, addresses, etc.


6 posted on 12/08/2016 1:24:25 PM PST by Behind the Blue Wall
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To: hotsteppa

Reuters must be having vapors over this.


7 posted on 12/08/2016 1:25:03 PM PST by ColdOne (( I miss my poochie... Tasha 2000~3/14/11~)
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To: hotsteppa

“...they would stop collecting it next month....”
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Wow, just wow. So they’ll issue illegal aliens (or anyone else who wants one) ID cards but keep no centralized record of it. So there will be no way for law enforcement to verify the information on the card. I foresee all kinds of illegal/fraudulent activity this will support.

STUPIDITY!


8 posted on 12/08/2016 1:25:39 PM PST by House Atreides (Send BOTH Hillary & Bill to prison.)
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To: hotsteppa

I think the visit last week on one U.S. State Attorney General Bhara had a lot to do with this situation, along with a lot of other information...to be a fly on the wall...


9 posted on 12/08/2016 1:25:49 PM PST by HarleyLady27 ('THE FORCE AWAKENS!!!' Trump/Pence: MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!!!)
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To: hotsteppa

Any and all governmental and private orgs records re:the status and deployment of illegals and imported Islamists should be entered into the national crime database.


10 posted on 12/08/2016 1:26:06 PM PST by LouieFisk
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To: hotsteppa

Why state court? I would think that it would only take one warrant from one federal officer investigating a case of identity theft or fraud to request a copy of the entire data base.

Alternatively, some state employee could make a copy of the backup file and send anonymously to a federal agent.


11 posted on 12/08/2016 1:26:43 PM PST by taxcontrol
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To: WayneS

> Too bad they’ve most likely already disposed of it.

Yet one more reason to cut off their Federal funding!


12 posted on 12/08/2016 1:27:29 PM PST by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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> Too bad they’ve most likely already disposed of it.

You would think that democrats would learn that it is not so easy to "dispose" of things like computer records.

13 posted on 12/08/2016 1:31:20 PM PST by corkoman
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To: dblshot
Democrats do love to wipe the server.

What...with a cloth or something?

14 posted on 12/08/2016 1:32:13 PM PST by 6ppc (It's torch and pitchfork time)
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To: hotsteppa

California’s DMV database will be the mother lode.


15 posted on 12/08/2016 1:34:02 PM PST by SpaceBar
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To: taxcontrol

With Barky’s cabinet and people in charge??? Wait until Trump is in charge...then we will get something done...


16 posted on 12/08/2016 1:35:22 PM PST by HarleyLady27 ('THE FORCE AWAKENS!!!' Trump/Pence: MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!!!)
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To: hotsteppa

If the Tyrant with the Black Robe decides to “allow” the City to DESTROY EVIDENCE OF A CRIME, The Judge needs to LOCKED UP IN HIS OWN JAIL FOR LIFE.

In fact a Public Statement by AG Sessions or Mr Trump himself would STOP all of this crap cold.

Federal Immigration and Nationality Act
Section 8 USC 1324(a)(1)(A)(iv)(b)(iii)

“Any person who . . . encourages or induces an alien to . . . reside . . . knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that such . . . residence is . . . in violation of law, shall be punished as provided . . . for each alien in respect to whom such a violation occurs . . . fined under title 18 . . . imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both.”

Section 274 felonies under the federal Immigration and Nationality Act, INA 274A(a)(1)(A):

A person (including a group of persons, business, organization, or local government) commits a federal felony when she or he:

* assists an alien s/he should reasonably know is illegally in the U.S. or who lacks employment authorization, by transporting, sheltering, or assisting him or her to obtain employment, or

* encourages that alien to remain in the U.S. by referring him or her to an employer or by acting as employer or agent for an employer in any way, or

* knowingly assists illegal aliens due to personal convictions.

Penalties upon conviction include criminal fines, imprisonment, and forfeiture of vehicles and real property used to commit the crime. Anyone employing or contracting with an illegal alien without verifying his or her work authorization status is guilty of a misdemeanor. Aliens and employers violating immigration laws are subject to arrest, detention, and seizure of their vehicles or property. In addition, individuals or entities who engage in racketeering enterprises that commit (or conspire to commit) immigration-related felonies are subject to private civil suits for treble damages and injunctive relief.

Recruitment and Employment of Illegal Aliens

It is unlawful to hire an alien, to recruit an alien, or to refer an alien for a fee, knowing the alien is unauthorized to work in the United States. It is equally unlawful to continue to employ an alien knowing that the alien is unauthorized to work. Employers may give preference in recruitment and hiring to a U.S. citizen over an alien with work authorization only where the U.S. citizen is equally or better qualified. It is unlawful to hire an individual for employment in the United States without complying with employment eligibility verification requirements. Requirements include examination of identity documents and completion of Form I-9 for every employee hired. Employers must retain all I-9s, and, with three days’ advance notice, the forms must be made available for inspection. Employment includes any service or labor performed for any type of remuneration within the United States, with the exception of sporadic domestic service by an individual in a private home. Day laborers or other casual workers engaged in any compensated activity (with the above exception) are employees for purposes of immigration law. An employer includes an agent or anyone acting directly or indirectly in the interest of the employer. For purposes of verfication of authorization to work, employer also means an independent contractor, or a contractor other than the person using the alien labor. The use of temporary or short-term contracts cannot be used to circumvent the employment authorization verification requirements. If employment is to be for less than the usual three days allowed for completing the I-9 Form requirement, the form must be completed immediately at the time of hire.

An employer has constructive knowledge that an employee is an illegal unauthorized worker if a reasonable person would infer it from the facts. Constructive knowledge constituting a violation of federal law has been found where (1) the I-9 employment eligibility form has not been properly completed, including supporting documentation, (2) the employer has learned from other individuals, media reports, or any source of information available to the employer that the alien is unauthorized to work, or (3) the employer acts with reckless disregard for the legal consequences of permitting a third party to provide or introduce an illegal alien into the employer’s work force. Knowledge cannot be inferred solely on the basis of an individual’s accent or foreign appearance.

Actual specific knowledge is not required. For example, a newspaper article stating that ballrooms depend on an illegal alien work force of dance hostesses was held by the courts to be a reasonable ground for suspicion that unlawful conduct had occurred.

IT IS ILLEGAL FOR NONPROFIT OR RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATIONS to knowingly assist an employer to violate employment sanctions, REGARDLESS OF CLAIMS THAT THEIR CONVICTIONS REQUIRE THEM TO ASSIST ALIENS. Harboring or aiding illegal aliens is not protected by the First Amendment. It is a felony to establish a commercial enterprise for the purpose of evading any provision of federal immigration law. Violators may be fined or imprisoned for up to five years.

Encouraging and Harboring Illegal Aliens

It is a violation of law for any person to conceal, harbor, or shield from detection in any place, including any building or means of transportation, any alien who is in the United States in violation of law. HARBORING MEANS ANY CONDUCT THAT TENDS TO SUBSTANTIALLY FACILITATE AN ALIEN TO REMAIN IN THE U.S. ILLEGALLY. The sheltering need not be clandestine, and harboring covers aliens arrested outdoors, as well as in a building. This provision includes harboring an alien who entered the U.S. legally but has since lost his legal status.

An employer can be convicted of the felony of harboring illegal aliens who are his employees if he takes actions in reckless disregard of their illegal status, such as ordering them to obtain false documents, altering records, obstructing INS inspections, or taking other actions that facilitate the alien’s illegal employment. Any person who within any 12-month period hires ten or more individuals with actual knowledge that they are illegal aliens or unauthorized workers is guilty of felony harboring. It is also a felony to encourage or induce an alien to come to or reside in the U.S. knowing or recklessly disregarding the fact that the alien’s entry or residence is in violation of the law. This crime applies to any person, rather than just employers of illegal aliens. Courts have ruled that “encouraging” includes counseling illegal aliens to continue working in the U.S. or assisting them to complete applications with false statements or obvious errors. The fact that the alien is a refugee fleeing persecution is not a defense to this felony, since U.S. law and the UN Protocol on Refugees both require that a refugee must report to immigration authorities without delay upon entry to the U.S.

The penalty for felony harboring is a fine and imprisonment for up to five years. The penalty for felony alien smuggling is a fine and up to ten years’ imprisonment. Where the crime causes serious bodily injury or places the life of any person in jeopardy, the penalty is a fine and up to twenty years’ imprisonment. If the criminal smuggling or harboring results in the death of any person, the penalty can include life imprisonment. Convictions for aiding, abetting, or conspiracy to commit alien smuggling or harboring, carry the same penalties. Courts can impose consecutive prison sentences for each alien smuggled or harbored. A court may order a convicted smuggler to pay restitution if the alien smuggled qualifies as a victim under the Victim and Witness Protection Act. Conspiracy to commit crimes of sheltering, harboring, or employing illegal aliens is a separate federal offense punishable by a fine of up to $10,000 or five years’ imprisonment.

Enforcement

A person or entity having knowledge of a violation or potential violation of employer sanctions provisions may submit a signed written complaint to the INS office with jurisdiction over the business or residence of the potential violator, whether an employer, employee, or agent. The complaint must include the names and addresses of both the complainant and the violator, and detailed factual allegations, including date, time, and place of the potential violation, and the specific conduct alleged to be a violation of employer sanctions. By regulation, the INS will only investigate third-party complaints that have a reasonable probability of validity. Designated INS officers and employees, and all other officers whose duty it is to enforce criminal laws, may make an arrest for violation of smuggling or harboring illegal aliens.

State and local law enforcement officials have the general power to investigate and arrest violators of federal immigration statutes without prior INS knowledge or approval, as long as they are authorized to do so by state law. There is no extant federal limitation on this authority. The 1996 immigration control legislation passed by Congress was intended to encourage states and local agencies to participate in the process of enforcing federal immigration laws. Immigration officers and local law enforcement officers may detain an individual for a brief warrantless interrogation where circumstances create a reasonable suspicion that the individual is illegally present in the U.S. Specific facts constituting a reasonable suspicion include evasive, nervous, or erratic behavior; dress or speech indicating foreign citizenship; and presence in an area known to contain a concentration of illegal aliens. Hispanic appearance alone is not sufficient. Immigration officers and police must have a valid warrant or valid employer’s consent to enter workplaces or residences. Any vehicle used to transport or harbor illegal aliens, or used as a substantial part of an activity that encourages illegal aliens to come to or reside in the U.S. may be seized by an immigration officer and is subject to forfeiture. The forfeiture power covers any conveyances used within the U.S.

RICO — Citizen Recourse

Private persons and entities may initiate civil suits to obtain injunctions and treble damages against enterprises that conspire to or actually violate federal alien smuggling, harboring, or document fraud statutes, under the Racketeer-Influenced and Corrupt Organizations (RICO). The pattern of racketeering activity is defined as commission of two or more of the listed crimes. A RICO enterprise can be any individual legal entity, or a group of individuals who are not a legal entity but are associated in fact, AND CAN INCLUDE NONPROFIT ASSOCIATIONS.

Tax Crimes

Employers who aid or abet the preparation of false tax returns by failing to pay income or Social Security taxes for illegal alien employees, or who knowingly make payments using false names or Social Security numbers, are subject to IRS criminal and civil sanctions. U.S. nationals who have suffered intentional discrimination because of citizenship or national origin by an employer with more than three employees may file a complaint within 180 days of the discriminatory act with the Special Counsel for Immigration-Related Unfair Employment Practices, U.S. Department of Justice. In additon to the federal statutes summarized, state laws and local ordinances controlling fair labor practices, workers compensation, zoning, safe housing and rental property, nuisance, licensing, street vending, and solicitations by contractors may also apply to activities that involve illegal aliens.


17 posted on 12/08/2016 1:35:32 PM PST by eyeamok (destruction of government records.)
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To: hotsteppa
...could be needed to investigate individuals who obtained the cards under false pretenses

What is the penalty for trying to upgrade your status to illegal alien when you are a mere citizen?
18 posted on 12/08/2016 1:35:34 PM PST by posterchild
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To: House Atreides
Wow, just wow. So they’ll issue illegal aliens (or anyone else who wants one) ID cards but keep no centralized record of it. So there will be no way for law enforcement to verify the information on the card. I foresee all kinds of illegal/fraudulent activity this will support.

Exactamente. Starting with the foul amoral criminals making up the City Council. They (especially the head of the City Council, who spends 98% of her time lobbying for Puerto Rican causes instead of doing what she was elected to do for NYC residents) came out recently very strongly in favor of protecting these illegal invaders who amass themselves, just for sneaking over the border and making their way to New York, free food, education, housing, medical care, legal help, etc.

19 posted on 12/08/2016 1:38:01 PM PST by EinNYC
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To: hotsteppa

Are they willing to drop the records of their CC holders?


20 posted on 12/08/2016 1:40:00 PM PST by fruser1
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