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Informative article by an attorney for Americans United for Life
1 posted on 12/03/2016 6:16:13 PM PST by ReformationFan
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To: ReformationFan

It’s not going to be overturned.


2 posted on 12/03/2016 6:16:56 PM PST by caver (Obama: Home of the Whopper)
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To: ReformationFan

It’s not going to be overturned.


5 posted on 12/03/2016 6:21:14 PM PST by Artemis Webb (Ted Kennedy burns in hell.)
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Even though the best we can hope for is to have the states decide, for those that worship at the alter of abortion this is likely to be their scream for help!!!






6 posted on 12/03/2016 6:22:35 PM PST by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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What Will Happen When Roe v. Wade Is Overturned?

The issue will return to the states, and the vast majority of them will leave abortion legal in at least some form.

Some who are dead set on having the "procedure" in lat e trimesters might be "forced" to go to a different state.

In short, the "procedure" will acquire a higher stigma than is currently attached to it, IMHO, and that's a good thing.

Clearly, late term abortion will still remain legal in many states which contain significant "liberal" contingents...

7 posted on 12/03/2016 6:22:47 PM PST by sargon (The Revolution is ON! Support President-elect Trump!)
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The Lord will smile upon America.


10 posted on 12/03/2016 6:26:58 PM PST by Fungi
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More crap from the “Against Trump” peddlers.


13 posted on 12/03/2016 6:32:08 PM PST by uncitizen (Boycotts Work! #DumpKelloggs)
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Roe vs Wade: "Settled law! Women's rights!"

2nd Amendment: "We need sensible restrictions, nobody needs an AR-15 to kill a deer."

14 posted on 12/03/2016 6:34:32 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Democracy is the backup QB to a dictatorship)
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I don’t see RvW being overturned. It’s far too profitable for ProAbort, Inc. and ProLife, Inc. to fight over it while wringing dollars out of the rubes.

As I’ve noted here for several years now: Infanticide will become illegal in the US precisely one month after the last “clinic” closes it’s doors for lack of business.


15 posted on 12/03/2016 6:36:38 PM PST by RKBA Democrat (Right versus left is no longer as relevant as Nationalist versus globalist.)
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That’s an awful lot of writing for something that will probably not happen.


16 posted on 12/03/2016 6:37:07 PM PST by Vermont Lt (Brace. Brace. Brace. Heads down. Do not look up.)
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It’s a hypothetical question. But it would be a far less stretch of the constitution to say that the life in the womb is protected (whether States want to or not), than to agree with Roe that the States are prohibited from giving such protection.

Nevertheless, a simple overturn would send it to the States. A bold stretch would (in reverse of judicial activism liberals rely on for culture change) would rule that all laws must favor potential life (again not as big a stretch as Roe).


17 posted on 12/03/2016 6:41:27 PM PST by HapaxLegamenon
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It won’t be a blood bath. Roe vs. Wade IS a blood bath.


20 posted on 12/03/2016 6:47:18 PM PST by D Rider
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Ultimately the goal of justice for those who made judicial opinions or passed legislation for, funded, or help carry out abortions on a large scale should be indictments, Nuremberg-style trials, convictions, and sentences for genocidal murder, crimes against humanity, and treason.

Even without those who voted for murderous pro-abortion politicians, the number who should face trial likely exceeds 100,000. Some of these may include clergy.

Pro-life people who dismiss or oppose this goal of justice betray their cause and reduce their opposition to abortion to that of opposing the wearing of the wrong color of socks.


21 posted on 12/03/2016 6:49:21 PM PST by Carl Vehse
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What will happen...probably not much. The matter will go back to the states, where it belongs.


22 posted on 12/03/2016 6:50:10 PM PST by Ouderkirk (To the left, everything must evidence that this or that strand of leftist theory is true)
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...up to 20 weeks and possibly to fetal viability,

Abortion should be banned except to save the life of the mother (everyone has the right to self-defense in libertylover's opinion).

This business of 20 weeks and fetal "viability" is a bad way to measure. Twenty weeks is an arbitrary point based on "viability" in the 1960s. And besides, "viability" is not a fundamental point, it's just a measure of local medical technology since the point of "viability" is vastly different between a neonatal care center in the U.S. as opposed to a hamlet in the middle of Kenya.

The only real solution is to accept the truth: that human life begins at fertilization, (which can be proven with a DNA test). A good ruling would be both timeless and placeless.

Abortion is one of the human miseries inflicted upon mankind by Democrats and other socialist pretending things to be true that aren't true: Slavery was the result of governments pretending that black people aren't people; the holocaust was the result of Germany pretending that Jewish people aren't people; abortion is the result of governments pretending that preborn people aren't people; and the problems are just beginning now that governments are pretending that homosexuality is normal.

23 posted on 12/03/2016 6:54:34 PM PST by libertylover (The problem with Obama is not that his skin is too black, it's that his ideas are too RED.)
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If is were overturned, liberals would be lined up as far back as Alabama waiting their turn to jump into the Grand Canyon.


24 posted on 12/03/2016 6:59:49 PM PST by FrankR (You're only enslaved to the extent of the charity that you receive!)
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Inner city population explosion?


26 posted on 12/03/2016 7:06:54 PM PST by Rebelbase (Gatlinburg wildfire: over 1000 homes and business damaged or destroyed.)
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More Adoptions? People actually using birth control instead of killing babies?


31 posted on 12/03/2016 7:15:20 PM PST by doug from upland (Hillary, get the hell off the stage!)
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Roe v. Wade will not be overturned, as such. But that will not mean it won’t be effectively over.

What the pro-life movement needs to accept is that the most likely solution will end almost all abortions, but will *not* be a “complete win”, intentionally made to prevent any celebration of victory by pro-life people.

It was described to me as “winning a million dollars in a lottery, but being paid in a giant pile of loose pennies that you must shovel into your own containers. By the time you have your million, you no longer want to celebrate.”

How this is done is up to the lawyers and justices.


37 posted on 12/03/2016 7:29:28 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Friday, January 20, 2017. Reparations end.)
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Both "Roe" of Roe v Wade and "Doe" of Doe v Bolton petitioned the Supreme Court to overturn their own cases. In both cases, the victims (plaintiffs) related that their pro-abortion lawyers lied to them and committed fraud and perjury upon the court. "Roe" says that she herself lied. These two cases that forced abortion on the States are nothing but fraud and should Constitutional Justices be appointed they must overturn or ignore the evidence as other Justices have done.

The Supreme Court acted as the three fabled monkeys and refused to reconsider the cases. So the two victims (plaintiffs) went to the Senate to tell their story and ask them to never appoint any judges that believed their cases were legitimate. Here are excerpts of their Sentate Testimonies.

Testimony of Norma McCorvey (The former Jane Roe of Roe v. Wade) June 23, 2005

I am the woman once known as the Jane Roe of Roe v. Wade. But I dislike the name Jane Roe and all that it stands for. I am a real person named Norma McCorvey and I want you to know the horrible and evil things that Roe v. Wade did to me and others. I never got the opportunity to speak for myself in my own court case. I am not a trained spokesperson, nor a judge, but I am a real person - a living human being who was supposed to be helped by my lawyers and the courts in Roe v. Wade. But instead, I believe that I was used and abused by the court system in America. Instead of helping women in Roe v. Wade, I brought destruction to me and millions of women throughout the nation.

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On February 22, 2005, the Supreme Court declined to take my case. I was good enough for the courts when they wanted to impose abortion on America, but I wasn't good enough when I asked them to look at the hard evidence of what they have done to America.

The Supreme Court of the United States should be ashamed of itself. It has taken this matter of abortion away from the states, the people, and the legislatures, but it refuses to look at the evidence of what it has done. How shameful is that? How can we have liberty without life? Every member of the Supreme Court who supports Roe should be impeached and I believe we should to limit the terms of Supreme Court justices to 8 years.

The Supreme Court has hurt me and millions of women and children. I urge you to do everything in your power to reverse Roe v. Wade. Since the Supreme Court did not reject our arguments, we are continuing to bring those arguments before the court in case after case after case, including Sandra Cano's case which is in the courts now. Please do not ask a judicial nominee to pledge to maintain Roe v. Wade. If new evidence comes before the court, then the court should be willing change its old precedent, as it has many times.

Roe v. Wade is not in the Constitution. It is just a bad Supreme Court decision with bad effects and needs to be reversed. I also support a constitutional amendment to protect all human life. I am also attaching a copy of my 13-page affidavit which was filed in our lawsuit to reverse Roe v. Wade. Some things should never be allowed, even if we want to do them. Murder is one, child abuse is another and allowing abortionists to harm women is another. Thank you, Senators.


Testimony of Sandra Cano (The former Doe of Doe v. Bolton) June 23, 2005

The Doe v. Bolton Supreme Court decision bears my name. I am Sandra Cano, the former "Doe" of Doe v. Bolton. Doe v. Bolton is the companion case to Roe v. Wade. Using my name and life, Doe v. Bolton falsely created the health exception that led to abortion on demand and partial birth abortion. How it got there is still pretty much a mystery to me. I only sought legal assistance to get a divorce from my husband and to get my children from foster care. I was very vulnerable: poor and pregnant with my fourth child, but abortion never crossed my mind. Although it apparently was utmost in the mind of the attorney from whom I sought help.

At one point during the legal proceedings, it was necessary for me to flee to Oklahoma to avoid the pressure being applied to have the abortion scheduled for me by this same attorney. Please understand even though I have lived what many would consider an unstable life and overcome many devastating circumstances, at NO TIME did I ever have an abortion. I did not seek an abortion nor do I believe in abortion.

Yet my name and life is now forever linked with the slaughter of 40-50 million babies. I have tried to understand how it all happened. How did my divorce and child custody case become the basis by which bloody murder is done on infants thriving in the wombs of their mothers? How can cunning, wicked lawyers use an uneducated, defenseless pregnant woman to twist the American court system in such a fraudulent way? Doe has been a nightmare. Over the last 32 years, I have become a prisoner of the case. It took me until 1988 to get my records unsealed in order for me to try and find the answer to those questions and to join in the movement to stop abortion in America.

When pro abortion advocates found out about my efforts; my car was vandalized on one occasion and at another time, someone shot at me while I was on my front porch holding my grandbaby.

I am angry. I feel like my name, life, and identity have been stolen and put on this case without my knowledge and against my wishes. How dare they use my name and my life this way! One of the Justices of the Supreme Court said during oral argument in my case "What does it matter if she is real or not." Well I am real and it does matter. I was in court under a false name and lies. I was never cross-examined in court. Doe v. Bolton is based on a lie and deceit. It needs to be retried or overturned. Doe v. Bolton is against my wishes.

Abortion is wrong. I love children. I would never harm a child and yet because of this case I feel like I bear the guilt of over 46 million innocent children being killed. The Supreme Court is also guilty. The bottom line is I want abortion stopped in my name. I want the case which was supposedly to benefit me, be either overturned or retried. If it is retried, at least I will have an opportunity to speak for myself in court, something that never happened before.

My lawyers at The Justice Foundation have collected affidavits from over one thousand women hurt by abortion. We have filed those affidavits and a Rule 60 Motion to reverse Doe which is now on its way to the Supreme Court through the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals in Atlanta. I am also giving you a copy of my affidavit in the case. Millions of babies have been killed. Millions of women have been hurt horribly. It is time to get my name and life out of this case and its time to stop the killing.

38 posted on 12/03/2016 7:29:29 PM PST by \/\/ayne (I regret that I have but one subscription cancellation notice to give to my local newspaper.)
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I never understood how abortion could have been legalized when the “Greatest Generation” was running the show, or for that matter why they did not stop the cultural revolution of the 60’s dead in its tracks.


43 posted on 12/03/2016 7:34:10 PM PST by redfreedom (The nation has been saved. Thank you Dear Lord. Long live President Trump!)
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