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Ohio Recount Gives a Smaller Margin to Bush [2004 article, on recount initiated by Greens]
NY Times ^ | Dec 29 2004 | NY Times

Posted on 11/26/2016 9:07:47 PM PST by WilliamIII

A recount of the presidential election in Ohio that was finished on Tuesday showed that President Bush won the election here by about 300 fewer votes than initially recorded.

The recount of Ohio's 88 counties showed that Senator John Kerry gained 734 votes, with Mr. Bush picking up 449 after elections officials allowed more than 1,100 previously disqualified ballots to be counted in the second tally.

Ohio proved to be the key state for Mr. Bush, who needed its 20 electoral votes to capture the election. Mr. Kerry conceded when Ohio fell into the Republican column but later said he supported the recount.

The state has become an emblem of continuing ailments in the nation's electoral process, because of Election Day events like seven-hour lines that drove voters away from the polls, malfunctioning machines, poorly trained poll workers who directed people to the wrong polling places and uneven policies about the use of provisional ballots, which were given to voters whose registration was contested. The Green and Libertarian Parties asked for the recount and raised $113,600 to help pay for it as required under state law.

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TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2016recount
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1 posted on 11/26/2016 9:07:47 PM PST by WilliamIII
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To: WilliamIII
Hillary was appalled that anyone would challenge our election process.


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2 posted on 11/26/2016 9:08:18 PM PST by Bon mots
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To: WilliamIII

It changed the margin by only 300 votes. Not that that will register on the Nervous Nellies here.


3 posted on 11/26/2016 9:10:56 PM PST by Ken H (Best election ever!)
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To: WilliamIII

Same chit as in 2004.

Bush still won OH when it was all over.


4 posted on 11/26/2016 9:11:05 PM PST by goldstategop ((In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever))
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To: WilliamIII

has there ever been recounts national or state level where the republican gained votes and the Democrat lost votes? I’ve yet to hear of it.


5 posted on 11/26/2016 9:11:14 PM PST by b4me (If Jesus came to set us free, why are so many professed Believers still in chains?)
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To: b4me
Check out the Wisconsin state Supreme Court election of 2011.

That was particularly comical because the Democrat (Kloppenburg) was leading by a very narrow margin on the night of the election, and even addressed her supporters to claim that she won.

The Republican candidate (Prosser) eventually won after all the ballots were counted and recounted.

6 posted on 11/26/2016 9:14:25 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("Yo, bartender -- Jobu needs a refill!")
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To: Ken H

I think a lot of people have no idea how large a margin of 10,000+ votes is in a recount process.


7 posted on 11/26/2016 9:15:04 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("Yo, bartender -- Jobu needs a refill!")
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To: b4me

As an FYI ... candidates rarely lose votes in a recount process. Most recounts involve a close examination of provisional ballots and disqualified ballots, so the final vote counts are usually higher than the initial ones.


8 posted on 11/26/2016 9:16:11 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("Yo, bartender -- Jobu needs a refill!")
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To: WilliamIII

I wonder what the timeline was. Did they wait until almost 3 weeks after the election to file for a recount?


9 posted on 11/26/2016 9:16:56 PM PST by funfan
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To: Ken H

All they have to do is find faulty code in the tabulations and multiply that by the number of counties....they have been cooking this up since election day


10 posted on 11/26/2016 9:17:30 PM PST by Homer1
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To: Alberta's Child

Not necessarily if you aim to show that the machines may have been hacked,,,,


11 posted on 11/26/2016 9:18:34 PM PST by Homer1
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To: funfan

the article - dated Dec 29 - says the recount took three weeks. so apparently it started even later than this year’s Wisconsin one is due to start.


12 posted on 11/26/2016 9:18:34 PM PST by WilliamIII
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To: Alberta's Child

It’s a huge margin. Nonetheless, the Democrat Thugs introduce fraudulent votes on each recount.


13 posted on 11/26/2016 9:19:22 PM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Homer1

faulty code in the tabulations and multiply that by the number of counties

but I’ve read the machines aren’t on a single unified network, so a fault in one county’s machines would only have a localized impact. you couldn’t extrapolate


14 posted on 11/26/2016 9:22:38 PM PST by WilliamIII
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To: Homer1
Right. The machines were hacked even though they were not connected to any computer or phone network.

They need to present more than just speculation that the machines "may have been hacked." A challenger would have to show verifiable evidence that it was done.

15 posted on 11/26/2016 9:23:03 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("Yo, bartender -- Jobu needs a refill!")
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To: WilliamIII

So there was a change of 1,000 votes of how many millions cast?

And what’s in this for Green Jilly anyway?


16 posted on 11/26/2016 9:23:20 PM PST by A_Former_Democrat ("Liberalism is a mental disorder" On FULL Display NOW BOYCOTT PepsiCO)
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Has anyone done an honest study of why these recounts come up with different results? Is the first counting really that bad? Or are new ballots really found or "found"? Is there an across the board miscount or are the revised figures always coming from a few precincts?

If you have paper ballots, I would expect that you have a number of ballots distributed to the polling place. The total number of ballots turned in plus the number voided because of the voter screwing up and getting a new one plus the unused ballots at the end of the day better match the number given to the poll workers in the morning. And the count better match with the number of registered voters who arrive. Also, there should be on going spot checks of each polling place to see the number of votes cast so if you go 50 at 10am, 120 at 2pm, 230 at 5pm and 8000 at the end you can see a potential problem of post-closing time votes.

On electronic voting the count better be the same every time they hit the "count" button with continual updates on number of registered voters arriving.

17 posted on 11/26/2016 9:24:16 PM PST by KarlInOhio (" T'was the witch of November come stealin' " And who could the stealing Witch of November be? Hmm?)
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To: Alberta's Child
"Check out the Wisconsin state Supreme Court election of 2011.

That was particularly comical because the Democrat (Kloppenburg) was leading by a very narrow margin on the night of the election, and even addressed her supporters to claim that she won.

The Republican candidate (Prosser) eventually won after all the ballots were counted and recounted. ."


The ACORN days.


18 posted on 11/26/2016 9:24:51 PM PST by clearcarbon
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To: Gene Eric
No, they don't. You should get up to speed on how these recounts are handled. You don't just "introduce fraudulent votes" in a recount process.

It's a hell of a lot easier to rig an election before the fact than after the ballots have been cast.

If it was as simple as you make it out to be, then surely Scott Walker would have lost ONE of his THREE elections in Wisconsin over the years -- right?

19 posted on 11/26/2016 9:24:55 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("Yo, bartender -- Jobu needs a refill!")
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To: Alberta's Child

All they need is a couple of in the tank computer guys to make such a claim.


20 posted on 11/26/2016 9:25:15 PM PST by Homer1
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