The Economist/YouGov Poll -3rd Party Voters Against Hillary More [effects popular vote argument]

The Economist /YouGov Poll ^ | July 2 - 4, 2016 | The Economist

[daniel1212]

Would you say you are mostly voting FOR Gary Johnson, AGAINST Hillary Clinton or

AGAINST Donald Trump?

Asked of those who would vote for Gary Johnson

I’m mostly voting AGAINST Hillary Clinton . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 35%

I’m mostly voting AGAINST Donald Trump . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 15%

Would you say you are mostly voting FOR Jill Stein, AGAINST Hillary Clinton

or AGAINST Donald Trump? Asked of those who would vote for Jill Stein

’m mostly voting AGAINST Hillary Clinton . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 43%

I’m mostly voting AGAINST Donald Trump . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7%

[daniel1212]

The reason this is of any significance (if any political poll can be trusted by now) is that liberals are trumpeting (no pun intended) Clinton's popular vote majority (400,000+ so far), and demanding electors vote accordingly.

They also speculate that "if Libertarian Gary Johnson and Stein did indeed siphon votes from Clinton in Florida, and if she had received enough of those votes (again, no sure thing), and if Stein hadn’t been on the ballot in Wisconsin and Michigan, and if those voters would then have voted for Clinton…Trump would have lost. (http://heavy.com/news/2016/11/jill-stein-gary-johnson-hillary-clinton-election-results-lost-lose-third-party-presidential-florida-michigan-pennsylvania-wisconsin-final-votes/)

However, the last count i saw Gary Johnson received 4,042,291, or 3.2 percent of the total vote, and . Jill Stein's total popular votes were approximately 1,200,000 as of Wednesday afternoon. Thus if most of Johnson's votes went to Trump and (if even) half of Stein's went to Clinton (as some say they would) then that would have given Trump the popular vote victory.

And most other opinions i have read indicate that Johnson voters would have chosen Trump if their candidate was not running.

So for what it is worth, which is not much, this is an argument against the "most American wanted Clinton for President" assertion.

Polls show Gary Johnson taking more support from Clinton, not Trump http://hotair.com/archives/2016/08/02/polls-show-gary-johnson-taking-more-support-from-clinton-not-trump/

[originalbuckeye]

If, If, If, If, If......that’s all they have left. Woo Hoo!

[gaijin]

Today the final count came in from Michigan and paired with Arizona it turns out that Trump also did go ahead and win the popular vote

[Robert DeLong]

When you count in all of the absentee ballots, which typically go for the Republican candidate, then Trump won handily. A state only counts absentee votes if there are enough absentee ballots that it would make a difference in the outcome in that state. Example: Trump won the state by 500,000 votes and they had 350,000 absentee ballots. Even if all of the absentee ballots went for Clinton she would still lose by 150,000 votes. Thus they are not counted.

[kabar]

Not true. Currently Hillary leads the popular vote: 61,138,577 (47.57%) to Trump’s 60,470,406 (47.05%)

[daniel1212]

Today the final count came in from Michigan and paired with Arizona it turns out that Trump also did go ahead and win the popular vote

Could i ask where you saw that he won the popular vote? Would be another answered prayer, though much more is needed than Trump himself.

[kabar]

They are counted if they affect down ballot races as well, just not President. The counting will go on for weeks. We don't have a final vote tally yet. We do know that more votes were cast in 2016 than 2012.

Hillary only received 47.5% of the vote, which means that the majority of Americans voted for someone other than Hillary for President. She will win the plurality of votes.

[gaijin]

Thank you yes let me amend that very slightly:

the news report I saw in different thread this morning said Trump is *projected* now for a final vote count that will give him the popular vote.

So currently he does not have it and the projections say he will end up with it.

so I was a little premature.

[kabar]

Hillary is leading the popular vote: David Leip's Atlas

[kabar]

No projection says that. Hillary will win the popular vote thanks to CA and NY. The Dems have won the popular vote in 6 out of the last 7 elections. It is why they are pushing for the elimination of the Electoral College and the direct election of a President.

[Robert DeLong]

Well yeah, but I was only talking about the Presidential race.

[spintreebob]

80% of 3d party vote is ALWAYS against the 2 major parties and candidates. Under 20% is really libertarian, or really green.

The LP nominated the worst candidate possible to take advantage of their big opportunity. This is typical of 3d parties and why 3d parties haven’t worked.

There was zero difference between McMullin and Castle. So why did the McMullin people not unite behind Castle? That most voters don’t even know the names McMullin and Castle proves my point.

[daniel1212]

A state only counts absentee votes if there are enough absentee ballots that it would make a difference in the outcome in that state.

That is an oft-repeated assertion that is in dire need of documentation. I decided to search this issue and despite over 50 results all i can find are answers such as this:

I heard that Vote by Mail ballots are only counted if a contest is close. Is that true?

No;
All valid Vote by Mail ballots are counted. Because voters are
cautioned that Vote by Mail ballots returned to the polls on Election
Day will not be included in election night results, this has been
misunderstood to mean they are not counted at all. This rumor is likely
due to a misunderstanding of how Vote by Mail ballots must be processed.
Because signatures on Vote by Mail ballots must be verified before the
ballots can be counted, ballots received within 1-2 days prior to
Election Day may not be counted and included in semi-final results
reported election night. It may take up to one week to verify all
signatures on Vote by Mail ballots returned close to, or on, Election
Day before the votes cast can be counted and included in the final,
official results.
(http://vote.sonoma-county.org/...

I’ve heard that absentee ballots are only counted if they will affect the outcome of the election. Is this true?

No. All absentee ballots that are received on time are considered for
counting. Absentee ballots received by Election Day are counted on
Election Day. Ballots received after Election Day but before the
deadline are counted when the absentee and special voters’ precinct
board meets as long as they are postmarked the day before Election Day
or earlier. (https://sos.iowa.gov/elections...

Are special ballot counted even if they will not change the outcome of the election?

All qualified votes cast by special ballot are tabulated. (https://www.dcboee.org/faq/vot...

Myth: Absentee ballots only count in close elections.

Reality: False. Absentee ballots submitted in accordance with state laws are counted for every election. The difference is that in a close election the media reports that the outcome cannot be announced until after the absentee ballots are counted. However, all ballots are counted in the final totals for every election -- and every vote (absentee or in-person) counts the same. - https://www.army.mil/article/134530

[kabar]

True, but in the case of a NH, for example, they must count all absentee votes because of the Senate race. Plenty of other examples. If they count absentee ballots, then it will also affect the Presidential results.

If a House seat is close, the absentee ballots in that Congressional district will be counted.

[dpwiener]

All absentee ballots in all states are counted, not just if the vote is close. I don't know why this nonsense keeps popping up every election. Even the slightest bit of common sense will tell you this has to be the case. There are all kinds of down-ticket races which are also on the ballot, such as city council, school board, etc., etc. depending upon the state you live in. They all have to be counted. It would make no sense whatsoever to have the tabulating machines and computers count those down-ticket votes but ignore the Presidential votes.

[Graybeard58]

Ballots received after Election Day but before the
deadline are counted when the absentee and special voters’ precinct
board meets as long as they are postmarked the day before Election Day

********************

It was on this basis that Gore tried to get military absentee ballots thrown out in Florida 2000.

It didn’t work as many other rotten democrat schemes that year didn’t. Amplifying the importance of having a conservative Supreme Court.

[CatOwner]

So currently he does not have it and the projections say he will end up with it.

Good chance Trump will end up over 1 million votes *behind* Hillary with the final vote count. There are over 5 million absentee/early votes to be counted in California. I guarantee you she will get a lion's share of that 5 million.

I'm sure the response will be that a significant number of the CA votes are from illegals. While that may be true, until it is determined they must be removed from the totals, Hillary will end up ahead in the popular vote.

[gaijin]

This is false, then..?

https://70news.wordpress.com/2016/11/12/final-election-2016-numbers-trump-won-both-popular-62-9-m-62-7-m-and-electoral-college-vote-306-232-hey-change-org-scrap-your-loony-petition-now/

[CatOwner]

Very much false.

[kabar]

Yes, false.