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Could Trump Lose the Way Gore Lost?
Townhall.com ^ | November 6, 2016 | Steve Chapman

Posted on 11/06/2016 8:07:31 AM PST by Kaslin

New Hampshire is a tiny state with about 1.3 million people. California has eight counties with larger populations than that. But in presidential campaigns, size doesn't matter.

Donald Trump and Barack Obama will be in New Hampshire on Monday. The 39 million residents of California can only watch from afar.

In most political races, candidates spend the most time where they can reap the most votes. In presidential campaigns, however, they often seem to shun any place where large numbers of ballots are cast. California, Texas and New York are the most populous states. But from the number of candidates they've seen lately, they might as well be Siberia.

The reason for this weird pattern is a weird institution -- the Electoral College, which is what we actually use to choose presidents. Each state has as many votes as it has members of Congress, and 48 states are winner-take-all. Whoever can amass 270 electoral votes becomes president.

This unusual formula has the effect of steering candidates away from large states that have a strong bent toward one party or the other. Lose by one vote or a million votes in most places and you get the same electoral harvest: nothing. No one campaigns in California, despite its 55 electoral votes, because it's a haven for Democrats. No one wastes time in Texas, with 38 electoral votes, because it's almost impossible for Republicans to lose.

New Hampshire could go either way. So it's worth fighting over despite the meager reward at stake: four electoral votes.

A few big states, such as Florida and Ohio, find themselves swarmed with candidates and carpet-bombed with TV ads every four years because neither party can take them for granted. But in other vote-rich places, it's almost possible to forget there's an election. Worst off of all are low-population states that are reliably red or blue.

Democrats turned angrily against the Electoral College in 2000, when they discovered it's possible to win the popular vote and lose the election. They might have seen it coming. Back in the 1980s, Republicans were said to have a lock on the Electoral College because they had a clear advantage in 39 states that accounted for 441 electoral votes. Democrats wondered whether they would ever overcome that handicap.

They have. These days, it's Republicans who face a nearly impregnable electoral fortress. The 17 states that have voted for the Democratic nominee in each of the past four presidential elections command 242 electoral votes. The 22 that have gone Republican every time have only 180.

That's why you keep hearing about Trump's "narrow path to victory." He has to capture several states that Mitt Romney lost in 2012 to win, including Florida, Ohio, Iowa, Nevada and, yes, New Hampshire. Hillary Clinton just has to hold on to one of them to be practically assured of victory.

The Electoral College tilt means she could plausibly lose the popular vote and still take the oath of office Jan. 20. Trump couldn't. NPR calculated that in 2012, it was possible to win the presidency with 23 percent of the popular vote.

It's a strange mechanism that we accept only because it so rarely affects the outcome. The winner of the popular vote almost always wins the electoral vote. But as President Al Gore can attest, there are glaring exceptions to the rule.

The only reason for the lengthy postelection court battle in 2000 over how to count the votes in Florida was the Electoral College. Without it, the hanging chads in Palm Beach County would have been a trivial curiosity -- because Gore got nearly 544,000 more votes nationwide than George W. Bush.

Traditionalists regard the Electoral College as a sacred creation of the Founding Fathers, whose genius must be respected. But the Framers really had only the dimmest idea what they were doing.

Historian Carl Becker wrote in 1945 that "their grasp of political realities, ordinarily so sure, failed them in this instance. Of all the provisions of the federal Constitution, the electoral college system was the most unrealistic -- the one provision not based solidly on practical experience and precedent."

Practical experience has shown that the only possible function of the Electoral College is to deliver the presidency to someone the American people have rejected. Democrats would be happy to abolish it. What would it take to get Republicans to agree? Something that could happen Tuesday.


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1 posted on 11/06/2016 8:07:31 AM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

If Trump loses its voter fraud, so no.


2 posted on 11/06/2016 8:09:05 AM PST by Democrats hate too much
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To: Kaslin
But the Framers really had only the dimmest idea what they were doing.

On the contrary. The Framers feared mob rule. They feared democracy. They wanted the federal government to be subservient to the states, The State Election of the senators was part of that vision. And the Electoral College was part of that vision. They knew.

3 posted on 11/06/2016 8:10:50 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (Abortion is what slavery was: immoral but not illegal. Not yet.)
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To: Kaslin
There is a statistical hitch that Nate Silver has pointed out.

Because of Trump's unusual strength, it is far LESS likely that he will win the popular vote and lose the EV than it is for Clinton.

In other words, if there is a candidate who is more likely to win the popular vote and lose, that is Clinton.

4 posted on 11/06/2016 8:11:32 AM PST by nwrep
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To: ClearCase_guy

NH has same day Registration . Look of busloads from Boston on 93 and 3 North,
again.


5 posted on 11/06/2016 8:13:02 AM PST by acapesket (all happy now?)
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To: Kaslin

There is about a 1 in 9 chance that Clinton could win the pop vote and lose the EC.

There is only about a 1 in 19 chance of Trump doing that.

Hands off the EC!


6 posted on 11/06/2016 8:13:12 AM PST by Az Joe
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To: acapesket

FOR BUSLOADS D’oh!


7 posted on 11/06/2016 8:13:53 AM PST by acapesket (all happy now?)
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To: Kaslin
A former Governor of NH was on a local Boston talk show on Friday talking about voter fraud. He said that the state has "same day voting" which the (majority Republican) state legislature has tried to repeal only to be blocked by Rat Party Governors.He said that in '12 it was documented that busloads of people were coming in from Massachusetts and that there was basically nothing that anyone could do about it.

If Trump loses NH narrowly it's voter fraud.

8 posted on 11/06/2016 8:14:45 AM PST by Gay State Conservative (Deplorables' Lives Matter)
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To: Kaslin

Gore lost fair and square - multiple times - despite the attempt to cherry pick and find “formerly undiscovered” votes. Not to mention divining how all of “Chad’s” votes were obviously meant for Gore.


9 posted on 11/06/2016 8:19:48 AM PST by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: Gay State Conservative

It would be a shame if buses at NH polling places were to have balloons filled with paint thrown at them.

It would be a shame if people at NH polling places were to film the arrival of buses that had already been paint splattered.

It would be a shame if people on the state border were to film paint-splattered buses returning to MA.

Or license plates could be recorded.


10 posted on 11/06/2016 8:20:19 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (Abortion is what slavery was: immoral but not illegal. Not yet.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

United STATES. #USStatesMatter.


11 posted on 11/06/2016 8:21:57 AM PST by Paladin2 (auto spelchk? BWAhaha2haaa.....I aint't likely fixin' nuttin'. Blame it on the Bossa Nova...)
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To: ClearCase_guy
The State Electionappointment of the senators was part of that vision. And the Electoral College was part of that vision. They knew.

I know you knew what you meant to say but there are some who would take it as written.

12 posted on 11/06/2016 8:22:14 AM PST by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: Kaslin

Gore got 0.51% more of the tallied popular vote. In absence of a national county by county recount, it doesn’t mean much.

Additionally it’s been shown that the election eve disclosure of Bush’s DWI arrest cost him several percentage points in the national election.

Gore can go suck an egg, he lost.


13 posted on 11/06/2016 8:22:39 AM PST by a fool in paradise (Anthony Weiner's use of the P-word has been kept out of the media, why the double standard?)
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To: trebb

Thanks!! Exactly so.


14 posted on 11/06/2016 8:22:54 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (Abortion is what slavery was: immoral but not illegal. Not yet.)
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To: Kaslin
The author here is full of crap. The founders of this country knew exactly what they were doing. Instead of holding a national election for president, they set up a system of weighted elections in all of the states. This keeps the country from being dominated by the largest states, and saves us from an insufferable environment where every president is basically elected by people who live within 500 miles of Columbus, Ohio.

The Electoral College has some serious flaws in a country where more and more states are dominated by a small number of urban centers. Instead of abolishing it, a better approach would be to have every state adopt the Nebraska/Maine model of apportioning their electoral votes by Congressional district, with the two "extra" electoral votes going to the candidate who wins the state overall. THIS approach would more accurately reflect the sentiment of voters in the country than the system we have in place now, while maintaining the imbalanced electoral vote system that was designed to protect smaller states.

15 posted on 11/06/2016 8:23:36 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("Yo, bartender -- Jobu needs a refill!")
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To: Alberta's Child

Off course he is full of it. It’s Steve Chapman.


16 posted on 11/06/2016 8:26:48 AM PST by Kaslin (He needed the Ignorant to reelect him, and he got them Now we all have to pay the consequences)
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To: Alberta's Child

Of course he is full of it. It’s Steve Chapman.


17 posted on 11/06/2016 8:27:00 AM PST by Kaslin (He needed the Ignorant to reelect him, and he got them Now we all have to pay the consequences)
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To: Alberta's Child

Is there a way to change it without changing the Constitution?. California is such a killer.


18 posted on 11/06/2016 8:28:17 AM PST by angelanddevil2
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To: a fool in paradise
It makes no sense to analyze a hypothetical popular vote scenario that has no relevance to the election system in place. Looking back at the 2000 election and measuring the "popular vote" is like analyzing a World Series to see who would have won if the result was based on total runs scored for each team instead of a best-of-seven series where the team that wins four games wins the championship.

The author seems to think that the presidential candidates in 2000 wouldn't have conducted their campaigns differently if the system was set up differently.

19 posted on 11/06/2016 8:28:29 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("Yo, bartender -- Jobu needs a refill!")
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To: Kaslin
"Electoral College is to deliver the presidency to someone the American people have rejected".

The People did not reject gore, the States did. The office is president of the States not the people.

20 posted on 11/06/2016 8:29:43 AM PST by precisionshootist
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