Look it up:
This peaceful protest which took place for weeks by millions of Ukrainian citizens, throughout the entire country successfully overturned the corrupt oligarchs and Ukrainian government's fraudulent attempt, with the direct help of Putin and Russia to steal the election.
The fraudulent results were overturned, new free and fair elections were held and Yuschenko (the presidential candidate who was horribly and permanently disfigured in the oppositions attempt to kill him prior to the election) was elected.
As one who was living and working in downtown Kiev, the capital of Ukraine at the time, actively participating in the peaceful protest and traveling throughout the Ukraine during the entire period of the Orange Revolution protest, I can testify as a first hand witness to these historic events that it works: "Tak Yuschenko!"
The peaceful, yet forceful tactics of the Orange Revolution brought the country, the corrupt government, the lying, government controlled Main Stream Media and those supporting the corrupt "rigged" political system to a stand still and to its knees!
Nearly the entire populace, throughout the entire country collectively came out together in united, peaceful protest and STAUNCHLY REFUSED TO BUDGE OR TO STOP THEIR PEACEFUL PROTEST DAY AFTER DAY, WEEK AFTER WEEK, UNTIL THEIR DEMANDS WERE MET:
1) THE RESULTS OF THE FRAUDULENT ELECTION WERE OVERTURNED,
2) NEW FREE AND FAIR ELECTIONS WERE PUT IN PLACE,
3) THE ELECTIONS WERE HELD AND
4) THE GENUINE PRESIDENTIAL VICTOR = Yuschenko TOOK OVER THE REIGNS OF POWER;
ONLY THEN DID THE PEACEFUL ORANGE REVOLUTION PROTESTS SUCCESSFULLY COME TO AN END.
Believe me when I say that it works and, should the Clinton Crime Family, their surrogates within the MSM and halls of power and the Democrat Party seek to fraudulently steal the election for Hillary Clinton through mass voter fraud, the tactics faithfully executed through the Orange Revolution can work here in America as well and should be implemented as soon as possible.
"Tak Trump!"
They have EBT cards there?
That will make or break a peaceful revolution in the US.
>>Nearly the entire populace, throughout the entire country collectively came out together in united, peaceful protest and STAUNCHLY REFUSED TO BUDGE OR TO STOP THEIR PEACEFUL PROTEST DAY AFTER DAY, WEEK AFTER WEEK, UNTIL THEIR DEMANDS WERE MET
If Trump wins, the Left will do this, but not peacefully. If Clinton wins, our side will go to work Wednesday and perform our duties because we want the paycheck and profit more than anything. Taxes will continue to be withheld. If overtime is offered, we will take it and pay taxes on that too while saying that we have “too much on our plate right now” to be revolutionaries.
Now tell everyone about the memorial wall on the Maidan with pictures of those murdered by Yanukovichs snipers. It wasn’t all peaceful. Also thanks to Poroshenko being a pro Putin thug Ukraine is in trouble again.
Won’t work here.
Decades ago the Marxist/atheists succeeded in their plans to completely take over both education and the media. The result is 2 generations of dumbed-down, brainwashed dupes who are now a majority of our populace. Thankfully, many of them do not vote.
But we’d never see a majority here do what was done there.
We are a minority, and more so with every class of HS and college grads that come out annually........and I know of no one who has a plan to stop the brainwashing carnage of these two realms - education and media.
Even Rush has been late to seeing and stating that this is the problem - and he has no solution.
This is why our nation is doomed. Their take-over plan has worked....
The problem is that nearly half our populace will side with the criminals.
I am glad to have noticed your post 5 about the Ukrainian backlash to a stolen election.
This is a grave concern to me.
I’m good at seeing weaknesses in plans and want to ‘kick the tires’ of your thinking. But please bear in mind that I’m actually hoping you do have a good plan in mind.
I personally think that the US government has been testing ways to suppress public uprisings. In fact, whether by intention or not they learned a LOT about how to do it during the Iraq occupation.
General Petreus in fact worked out an effective blueprint, an ‘ink blot’ strategy that could have won the Vietnam War [it had been successfully tested there and dropped for political reasons] and might even enbolden Obama’s political generals to think it would work here if it comes to that.
I don’t think politcal generals are as savvy as professional, and I think that military morale would plummet within days. But initially we could find ourselves in a dangerous situation that could even include mass slaughter.
[I’ll go off-line, write a careful post, and start a thread later featuring your take as well.]
I’ll just respond here. The key thing is the Ukrainian media. How much conflicting reporting was going on there? I’m under the impression that the media united behind the revolution.
If Election is Stolen: is it wise to expect effective backlash?
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You were the most well-informed optimist I’ve run into so far.
Reading your post ‘The Orange Revolution’ would appear to offer us hope. But the US Establishment has learned to ‘work the system’ for a long time.
Here is an important difference: Ukrainian television broadcast several sociologists who rapidly persuaded the public that the vote counting was a brazen and complete fraud.
Here in the US we have conflicting reports. If Twitter, Facebook, and the Alphabet ‘BS’ channels all team up in agreement, they can downplay and even belittle any claims of vote fixing as ‘wild exagerations’.
Possible Solution:
I think it is essential that we remember vividly the disparity of yard signs. Etch it in your mind. Then the rest is easy. No way can a corrupt witch like Hillary be doing so well in an election, especially after what she did to Bernie Sanders.
... but ...
A massive peaceful march could lead to frightening contingencies [bearing no fruit] which include media suppression.
1. Our media is notorious for alterting the reported size of crowds. Rather than ‘millions of peaceful protestors’, they would report ‘a few thousand wild eyed militia-types armed with guns.’
2. Even if the media is 100% honest, Hillary has someone call Creamer, and his professional rioters could orchestrate ‘spontaneous violence’ inside the peaceful crowds. Members of the National Guard would be bucked up with cherry-picked footage and do their duty.
Chaos dies down. The media sees which side ‘is winning’ and returns to its normal spin mode. We get flooded with illegal immigrants, Syrian refugees, and a federal court that stands up for the rights of illegal immigrant ‘votes’.
Checkmate.
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But who knows? You study history, which makes you more informed than most optimists who probably rely on movies.
You might be more right than I am. But if Hillary wins, not everyone on this forum should join such a dangerous peace march IMO. People who consider themselves ineffective researchers and/or poor networkers might join in, but people like you and others: I hope you think twice.
The US media would not have our backs the way the Ukrainian media apprently did. And that’s key to any peaceful resistance.
If I’m wrong about the Ukrainian media, please correct me. But it appears they sided against the stolen election.
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Also bear in mind that young institutions are more idealistic and less corrupt than older ones.
The Ukrainian media was too young. You could almost say they were ‘drunk with the spirit of freedom’, something entirely new to them.
Many of our media outlets are way too old, too esblished, and rooted in corruption.