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Warming Russia-Turkey relations send a chill through Ukraine
Christian Science Monitor ^ | October 11, 2016 | By Fred Weir

Posted on 10/12/2016 1:33:53 AM PDT by Brad from Tennessee

Moscow — Leaders of Turkey and Russia signed a long-delayed deal Monday to build the TurkStream gas pipeline under the Black Sea to deliver Russian gas to Europe's doorstep within three years.

The rapid warming trend in Russo-Turkish relations holds deep implications for Syria's immediate crisis, which dominated the talks and the subsequent headlines, but the fallout from that pipeline deal is a potentially crushing blow to struggling pro-Western Ukraine and may be rearranging strategic realities around the region for many years to come.

Analysts say that if TurkStream goes ahead it will enable Moscow to cut its former main gas transit partner, Ukraine, completely out of the loop when current contracts expire in 2019. For Ukraine, it spells the loss of about $2 billion in annual transit fees paid by Russian gas monopoly Gazprom, which will make a huge hole in the struggling country's state revenues. More importantly, it will also upend Ukraine's strategic dream of integrating with the European Union (EU) as the key energy hub that mediates Russian energy to the continent's thirsty markets. . .

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TOPICS: Editorial; Russia
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To: ETL

Russia must be awfully, awfully confident that none of this Islamic bomb stuff will come back at it.

On that one I would shake my head. The West has learned enough not to pick nuke fights. But Islam? “Bring it on.” Depending on the circumstances, Iran might sacrifice its entire self in order to hurl volleys of fire at the infidel.

To be a fly on the wall when Donald Trump asks Putin why.


41 posted on 10/12/2016 4:25:58 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: nathanbedford
Let's see Hillary spin this one.

She'll blame it on Abraham Lincoln somehow.

42 posted on 10/12/2016 4:30:00 AM PDT by pepsi_junkie (ui)
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To: Krosan

I believe Russia has far more oil than Florida does. What it lacks in financial wherewithal, it still has in polar territory.

Nobody says it’s easy, but the USA could well have an interest in seeing it happen.


43 posted on 10/12/2016 4:32:40 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: pepsi_junkie

The South will rise again


44 posted on 10/12/2016 4:33:25 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: nathanbedford

Thanks, I get it now. 100% inflation is right for western goods. The official government statistics show the inflation of consumer prices to be ~30% combining 2014 and 2015, but these statistics are wrong because they assume the staple goods now are the same quality as before. Instead the quality has tremendously fallen. For example two years ago Russians used to eat cheese made from milk and now they eat inferior cheese made from palm oil. Same with nearly everything else.


45 posted on 10/12/2016 4:34:29 AM PDT by Krosan
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To: HiTech RedNeck
If our greenies have done nothing else, it would be to point out how what goes around, nuke wise

If Obama and Co were indeed "greenies", they would be of the 'watermelon' variety, green on the outside, red on the inside. He and they are "reddies".

They didn't do what they did, in regards to strengthening Russia while weakening us, out of "naivete", "inexperience", or "incompetence". They did it deliberately. To knock the US off its pedestal as world leader. Obama has been surrounded by people loyal to the Soviet Union his entire life. Even had a mentor back in Hawaii, Communist Party member Frank Marshall Davis, who read him poems glorifying the Red Army. And it is the goal of KGB Putin to bring back the S.U. and then-some by grabbing control of the strategic oil/gas-rich Middle East.

46 posted on 10/12/2016 4:35:02 AM PDT by ETL (Trump-PENCE 2016!!!)
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To: ETL

There’s more going on in the world on the left than just the watermelons.

Is it possible that Putin believes he can work a conquest of the Islamic Middle East?

Putin does not understand Islam, if so.


47 posted on 10/12/2016 4:38:38 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Russia must be awfully, awfully confident that none of this Islamic bomb stuff will come back at it.

Of course they are. Putin was a major architect of the Iran nuke deal. I just posted a piece about that.

48 posted on 10/12/2016 4:39:20 AM PDT by ETL (Trump-PENCE 2016!!!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Russian build-up in Syria part of secret deal with Iran's Quds Force leader

September 11, 2015
Jennifer Griffin, Lucas Tomlinson
FoxNews.com

As the Pentagon warily eyes a Russian military build-up in Syria, Western intelligence sources tell Fox News that the escalated Russian presence began just days after a secret Moscow meeting in late July between Iran's Quds Force commander - their chief exporter of terror - and Russian President Vladimir Putin.

Fox News has learned Quds head Qassem Soleimani and Putin discussed such a joint military plan for Syria at that meeting, an encounter first reported by Fox News in early August. ..."

The Quds Force is the international arm of Iran's Revolutionary Guard, involved in exporting terrorism to Iran’s proxies throughout the Middle East including Lebanon, Syria, Iraq and Yemen. ..."

Officials who have monitored the build-up say they've seen more than 1,000 Russian combatants - some of them from the same plainclothes Special Forces units who were sent to Crimea and Ukraine. Some of these Russian troops are logistical specialists and needed for security at the expanding Russian bases.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/09/11/russian-build-up-in-syria-part-secret-deal-with-irans-quds-force-leader/
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Pro-Hezbollah Paper: Russia, Iran, Syria, Hezbollah Form Alliance

Sept 23, 2015

A prominent pro-Hezbollah newspaper in Lebanon reported Tuesday that Russia and the terrorist organization have formed an alliance and will fight together in Syria. "The parties to the alliance are the states of Russia, Iran, Syria, and Iraq, with Lebanon's Hezbollah as the fifth party,"

Al-Akhbar Editor in Chief Ibrahim al-Amin wrote. The pact would be called the "4+1 alliance", a pun based on the P5+1 that negotiated the nuclear deal with Iran. Hezbollah is a proxy of Iran based in Lebanon and Moscow has been working with Tehran to save Bashar al-Assad's regime, even sending men and weapons to Syria.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2015/09/22/report-russia-partners-with-hezbollah.html

49 posted on 10/12/2016 4:39:45 AM PDT by ETL (Trump-PENCE 2016!!!)
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To: ETL

Well, that sure sounds like a ludicrous assumption on their part. The only way the Islamic genie will take snoozes is through the lullaby of being filthy rich. But that does not look like the pill that Iran wants to swallow.

It will, not might, blow up in Russia’s face.


50 posted on 10/12/2016 4:41:07 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Gog Magog inches closer...

Ezekiel 38


51 posted on 10/12/2016 4:42:49 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: HiTech RedNeck
The South will rise again

Thanks in large part to Obama, that may well be true...

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How Russia arms America's southern neighbors

Ioan Grillo
May 9, 2014

RIO DE JANEIRO, Brazil -- Russia's push into Ukraine has put many on edge. But less known is that Russia is also strengthening its military links south of the Rio Grande and re-establishing itself as a power in the region.

Vladimir Putin has been strengthening military links here, and Russia is now the largest arms dealer to governments in Latin America, surpassing the United States.

Russia has even floated the possibility of building new military bases in Cuba, Venezuela and Nicaragua, and putting its warships permanently in the Caribbean.

In the midst of the Ukraine crisis, Russia's top diplomat Sergei Lavrov recently visited Cuba, Peru, Chile, and Nicaragua, where he announced that Russia would also pour money into the new Central American canal project. ..."

http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/regions/americas/140508/russian-arms-military-trade-latin-america
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Russia Boosts Arms, Training for Leftist Latin Militaries

Moscow defense minister inks deals with Cuba, Venezuela, Nicaragua for joint exercises

BY: Bill Gertz
February 20, 2015

Russia agreed to provide military training for three leftist regimes in Latin America and increase military visits and exercises following a visit last week to the region by Moscow's Defense Minister Sergei Shoygu, Pentagon officials said.

Shoygu met with defense and military leaders in Cuba, Venezuela, and Nicaragua and signed several agreements on warship visits and military training during the visit, which ran from Feb. 11 to 14. It is not clear whether any new arms deals were completed during the visit.

Defense officials said the Russian leader is seeking bases in the region for strategic bomber flights that Shoygu recently promised would include flights over the Gulf of Mexico and Caribbean.

http://freebeacon.com/national-security/russia-boosts-arms-training-for-leftist-latin-militaries/

52 posted on 10/12/2016 4:44:13 AM PDT by ETL (Trump-PENCE 2016!!!)
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To: Jim Noble
Unfortunately, it seems in the there is increasingly less to choose from in the realm of physical safety come the apocalypse between Europe and America.

On both continents we have a majority leftist governing mentality. In America that mentality wants to upend the existing system, to do away with the Constitution, to rule by expediency through the power of the executive. We both know that that is a path that leads only to tyranny. But to get there the extreme leftists who dominate the Democratic Party are willing to upend the system, to denigrate the value of the system, to indoctrinate the people to believe that the system, the constitutional system, is not worth saving.

If I were a rabid terrorist I would consider a policy aimed not at undermining the American military, not even at undermining Wall Street, but at terrifying mothers when they drop their kids off at kindergarten, when they attend church, when they go to the mall, when they watch a football game. Why? Because just as our national elections are now being decided by a coalition of anti-American leftists and gullible women, so the destruction of America will likely come the same way.

In other words as America becomes increasingly isolated in the world, as nuclear weapons proliferate, as the risk of atomic Holocaust becomes palpable, the mothers of America are going to decide that freedom from sharia is not worth their children's lives. The left will have convinced them that America is not worth saving anyway.

There will be no obvious enemy for our military to attack. Mothers' insecurity will mount and mount even as Muslims in our midst swell in numbers and become relatively more dangerous. Terrorism proliferates, the siren of peace is irresistible to mothers to save their babies from a nuclear holocaust or from massive war and chronic terrorism.

A peace movement erupts, demands for surrender to sharia sweep the nation, a few patriots, NRA members, fight back and are exterminated. Rome falls.

I think this scenario is just as likely in Europe as in America. There is no safe haven although the fall of America would probably come later. But if Europe falls the pressure on America to surrender will be very great indeed.


53 posted on 10/12/2016 4:45:21 AM PDT by nathanbedford (attack, repeat, attack!Â… Bull Halsey)
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To: Alas Babylon!

I believe the name Gog means “to roll.” And Magog means “what is Gog.”

It is the “Roller” vs. “What is the Roller.”

A Russian/Islamic conflict could look like that, or again it might be Sunni vs. Shiite Islam, or some different paradigm may rule at this point. There are the demons who will tempt it on, and then there needs to be a specific generation willing to actually do it.


54 posted on 10/12/2016 4:45:38 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: ETL

When the times become weird, the weird turn pro.


55 posted on 10/12/2016 4:47:28 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: nathanbedford

Perhaps yet, before all this bad news falls upon the world, there may yet be a wave of new evangelism, faith, and blessing.

Never fear, we can always count on the devil to step forward to try to spoil what God has done.

I would just say, in being ready for this assault, that we do not forget to make spiritual hay while the sun still shines. “Redeeming the time, for the days are evil.”


56 posted on 10/12/2016 4:51:07 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Well, that sure sounds like a ludicrous assumption on their part. The only way the Islamic genie will take snoozes is through the lullaby of being filthy rich. But that does not look like the pill that Iran wants to swallow. It will, not might, blow up in Russia’s face.

Speaking of which...

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Blowing Up Russia: The Secret Plot to Bring Back KGB [Power]

Alexander Litvinenko & Yuri Felshtinsky

This book, co-authored by Alexander Litvinenko, the victim of the notorious 2006 London polonium poisoning, attempts to demonstrate that modern Russia's most fundamental problems do not result from the radical reforms of the liberal period of Yeltsin's terms as president, but from the open or clandestine resistance offered to these reforms by the Russian special services. It was they who unleashed the first and second Chechen wars, in order to divert Russia away from the path of democracy and towards dictatorship, militarism, and chauvinism.

The authors alleged that the Russian apartment bombings and other September 1999 terrorist acts were committed by the Federal Security Service. Litvinenko and Felshtinsky wrote that the bombings were a false flag operation intended to justify Second Chechen War and bring Vladimir Putin to power.

Originally published in 2002
(223 pages)

https://web.archive.org/web/20150925030919/http://www.libertypublishinghouse.com/Blowing_up_Russia_E.aspx
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Putin's Poison?
by Peter Brookes, November 27, 2006

The death of former Russian spy, Alexander Litvinenko, last week from radioactive Polonium-210 poisoning is the latest in a series of politically motivated attacks on the outspoken opponents of Russian President Vladimir Putin.

http://www.heritage.org/Press/Commentary/ed112706a.cfm

Or,

https://web.archive.org/web/20070116123048/http://www.heritage.org/Press/Commentary/ed112706a.cfm


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"Over the next six years, Litvinenko became an anti-Kremlin journalist, accusing the Russian government of abuses during their battles with Chechen separatists in the 1990s, and the FSB's alleged 1999 bombing of 300 people in explosions at apartments in Russia that was used to justify its second war against Chechnya.

He also claimed two of the Chechen separatists who took hostages at a theater in Moscow in October 2002 during which 162 people died were working for the FSB. He also pointed the finger at the FSB for having trained al Qaeda deputy leader Ayman al-Zawahiri."

http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/237045/long-awaited-investigation-alexander-v-litvinenkos-arnold-ahlert

Or,

https://web.archive.org/web/20150924180509/http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/237045/long-awaited-investigation-alexander-v-litvinenkos-arnold-ahlert
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Litvinenko: A deadly trail of polonium [poisoned by Putin?...case now concluding]
BBC - Magazine ^ | July 28, 2015

"The polonium trail started on 16 October 2006 when Litvinenko met Lugovoi and Kovtun in London. ..."

"When Lugovoi and Kovtun's movements were mapped against the sites of polonium contamination, there was an exact match. The evidence of guilt was strong. In May 2007, the then Director of Public Prosecutions Ken Macdonald announced that Andrei Lugovoi was to be charged with murder and his extradition would be sought from Russia. Kovtun was charged in 2010. ..."

Prof Norman Dombey, a physicist who has a deep knowledge of Russian nuclear sites, gave evidence at the public inquiry.

Dombey says there is only one place where it can be produced in the quantities used in the murder - a military nuclear reactor at the Avangard plant in the closed city of Sarov. Sarov was where Russia produced its first nuclear bomb in the days of Joseph Stalin. This is a clear link to the Russian state.

But why would the Russian state want him dead? ..."

It is clear that Alexander Litvinenko had powerful enemies in Russia. ..."

The first red line concerns a book he co-wrote called Blowing Up Russia about a terrorist attack in Moscow in September 1999. Chechen separatists were blamed.

"Litvinenko claimed that Russia's own security services carried out the attack to give Putin the cover to launch a new Chechen war. Some 300 people had died. ..."

His co-author, Felshtinsky, stands by their conclusions and says: "This [attack] helped Putin...the reaction of the population was we now have to have a strong leader. ..."

The inquiry will now hear secret evidence from intelligence agencies in special closed sessions. It will report back at the end of the year and, until then, the mystery will rumble on."

(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.com ...

Or,

https://web.archive.org/web/20150809080905/http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-33678717
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BBC, 27 July 2015

Litvinenko inquiry: Key suspect 'cannot testify'

"UK officials believe Dmitry Kovtun and another man, Andrei Lugovoi, poisoned Mr Litvinenko in 2006, which they deny.

Mr Kovtun had been due to appear by videolink from Moscow on Monday, but said he had been unable to get permission from Russian authorities.

Mr Litvinenko's family lawyer said it seemed the case was being manipulated."

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-33674469

Or,

https://web.archive.org/web/20160603104658/http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-33674469
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Jan 21 2016...

Vladimir Putin Likely Approved Murder of Alexander Litvinenko: Inquiry

by Alastair Jamieson and Alexey Eremenko

LONDON - Russian President Vladimir Putin "probably" personally sanctioned the nuclear murder of ex-spy Alexander Litvinenko, a British judge ruled Thursday.

The dissident died in 2006 after drinking green tea poisoned with radioactive polonium-210 in a London hotel. Litvinenko had predicted that Russia would assassinate him and claimed on his deathbed that Putin likely ordered his killing.

After a six-month public inquiry, a British judge ruled that the one-time KGB agent was murdered on the orders of Russia's FSB security agency - and that the action was "probably approved" by Putin. ..."

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/vladimir-putin-likely-approved-murder-alexander-litvinenko-inquiry-n500996

Or,

https://web.archive.org/web/20160205154202/http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/vladimir-putin-likely-approved-murder-alexander-litvinenko-inquiry-n500996

57 posted on 10/12/2016 4:54:13 AM PDT by ETL (Trump-PENCE 2016!!!)
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To: ETL

There seems to be something slightly unhinged about that crowd.


58 posted on 10/12/2016 4:56:31 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Perhaps yet, before all this bad news falls upon the world, there may yet be a wave of new evangelism, faith, and blessing.

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Putin: Defender of Christian Faith and Morality?

September 2014

(excerpt from a long, detailed article)

First and foremost, in any review of the basics regarding Putin, the most outstanding fact is that he is a creature of the Soviet KGB, a truly diabolical organization nonpareil, which stood for murder, terror, and grand deception.

It was the Soviet Communist Party's tool for the brutal suppression of religion, including the persecution of Christians: denying them jobs and education; spying on and entrapping them; arresting and imprisoning them; torturing them in unspeakable ways; desecrating and demolishing their church buildings; infiltrating their agents into churches to subvert them. The KGB destroyed thousands of Christian churches, monasteries, convents, and schools, and slaughtered millions of Christians.

But it did not destroy the churches utterly. There remained an underground church, whose members were always at risk of discovery, arrest, torture, and martyrdom. Above ground, the KGB took control of the Russian Orthodox Church, which became a very useful organ of the Soviet atheist state.

In January 2009, Vladimir Mikhailovich Gundyaev, better known as Metropolitan Kirill of Smolensk and Kaliningrad, was elected, from a short list of three candidates, to be the 16th Patriarch of Moscow and All Russia, the highest position of authority in the Russian Orthodox Church (ROC). The election was called to fill the post that had been left vacant by the death of Patriarch Alexy II, who had headed the ROC since 1990.

Documents from the KGB archives have confirmed what sensible observers had long ago deduced from his actions: that Patriarch Alexy II (also spelled Alexi or Alexei) was a long-serving KGB agent (code-named Drozdov, "Blackbird"), in other words, a traitor to his Christian brethren and the God he claimed to serve. Putin's KGB/FSB was taking no chances with his replacement. All three candidates - Metropolitan Kliment of Kaluga and Borovsk (code-named Topaz), Metropolitan Filaret of Minsk and Slutsk (code-named Ostrovskii), and Metropolitan Kirill (code-named Mikhailov) - also have been reliably identified as agents of the KGB/FSB.

Russia expert David Satter, a former Moscow correspondent for the Financial Times (of London) and the Wall Street Journal, wrote of the election in 2009 for Forbes:

According to material from the Soviet archives, Kirill was a KGB agent (as was Alexei). This means he was more than just an informer, of whom there were millions in the Soviet Union. He was an active officer of the organization. Neither Kirill nor Alexei ever acknowledged or apologized for their ties with the security agencies.

Because Patriarch Kirill is of central importance to the myth of Putin as the Saul-to-Paul, Christian persecutor-to-Christian champion, it behooves us to more closely examine the man. He has publicly presided over, and provided official benedictions and exhortations for, Putin's cynical and Stalinesque exploitation of Russian nationalism and Russian Orthodoxy. Josef Stalin, who had very nearly consummated the annihilation of the Russian Orthodox Church begun by Vladimir Lenin, reversed course in 1941. The reason? His erstwhile partner in crime, Adolf Hitler, had turned on him and had invaded Russia.

Stalin, needing all the help he could get, cut a deal with ROC Metropolitans Sergius, Nikolay, and Alexy. In exchange for their support in rallying the Russian people, he would cease (temporarily) the persecution and allow the reopening of churches and theological schools. In fact, Stalin's Soviet government paid for the rebuilding of many of the churches. The ROC was thus placed even more firmly under the control of the NKVD, which was later to be reorganized and renamed as the KGB. ..."

much more at link

http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/europe/item/19162-putin-defender-of-christian-faith-and-morality

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"For 16 years Putin was an officer in the KGB, rising to the rank of Lieutenant Colonel before he retired to enter politics in his native Saint Petersburg in 1991.

He moved to Moscow in 1996 and joined President Boris Yeltsin's administration where he rose quickly, becoming Acting President on 31 December 1999 when Yeltsin unexpectedly resigned. Putin won the subsequent 2000 presidential election, despite widespread accusations of vote-rigging,[3] and was reelected in 2004."

"On 25 July 1998, Yeltsin appointed Vladimir Putin head of the FSB (one of the successor agencies to the KGB), the position Putin occupied until August 1999. He became a permanent member of the Security Council of the Russian Federation on 1 October 1998 and its Secretary on 29 March 1999."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Putin

59 posted on 10/12/2016 4:56:58 AM PDT by ETL (Trump-PENCE 2016!!!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
From Sept *2016*!

Russia 'to revive the KGB' after Putin wins biggest majority

Telegraph (UK) ^ | 19 September 2016 • 3:39PM | Marc Bennetts

Russia plans effectively to revive the KGB under a massive shake-up of its security forces, a respected business daily has reported.

A State Security Ministry, or MGB, would be created from the current Federal Security Service (FSB) , and would incorporate the foreign intelligence service (SVR) and the state guard service (FSO), under the plans. It would be handed all-encompassing powers once possessed by the KGB, the Kommersant newspaper said, citing security service sources.

Like the much-feared KGB, it would also oversee the prosecutions of Kremlin critics, a task currently undertaken by the Investigative Committee, headed by Alexander Bastrykin, a former university classmate of President Putin. The Kremlin has not commented. …

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...

60 posted on 10/12/2016 4:57:15 AM PDT by ETL (Trump-PENCE 2016!!!)
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