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The rest of the title is Still Fails to Persuade
1 posted on 10/07/2016 6:51:12 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin
There is no such thing as a pro-life democrat or a pro-2nd amendment democrat. The 'rats will let a few congressmen and senators pose as such as long as their votes are not needed; but if their votes were needed in a do or die vote, they'll cave every time as Bart Stupak did on Obamacare.
2 posted on 10/07/2016 6:54:37 AM PDT by Sans-Culotte ("Political Correctness is communist propaganda writ small" - Theodore Dalrymple)
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To: Kaslin

Up is down, down is up......


3 posted on 10/07/2016 6:56:52 AM PDT by caver (Obama: Home of the Whopper)
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To: Kaslin

She’s a traitor to the Feminazi cause; she did not insist that Chelsea abort! (Or, maybe she DID, and Chelsea rejected the idea.)


4 posted on 10/07/2016 7:00:46 AM PDT by JimRed (Is it 1776 yet? TERM LIMITS, now and forever! Build the Wall, NOW!)
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To: Kaslin

Wolves in sheep’s clothing, these pundits.

At times I’ve seen these same spurious arguments made here.


5 posted on 10/07/2016 7:03:14 AM PDT by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: Kaslin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlenviZKuBw&feature=youtu.be&t=18m23s

Great video about voting!


8 posted on 10/07/2016 7:19:33 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Kaslin

I’m disappointed! I thought that this would be a discussion on whether “life” or “life without parole” was the issue.


11 posted on 10/07/2016 7:47:22 AM PDT by the_Watchman
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To: Kaslin

The arguments of Eric Sapp are mind-bogglingly crazy. I would respect him more if he just came out said something like, “I’m a pro-life, big government, open borders, globalist, SJW democrat, who feels that Hillary matches my biggest priorities the best, so I’ll forgive her for being pro-abortion, because that’s not all that important to me anyway compared to other issues.” Instead, he gives us some imbecilic excuses about how pro-lifers are really worse for the pro-life movement than pro-choicers…and 2+2=5 and we’ve always been at war with Eastasia.


12 posted on 10/07/2016 7:48:05 AM PDT by FenwickBabbitt
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To: Kaslin
Thanks for posting!

Such arguments as those cited herein are illogical and not principles-based.

It's past time that citizens who understand their Constitution, with its foundations in Creator-endowed rights and liberty, speak out to defend both against assault from Clinton's campaign and the "liberal/progressive" movement whose ideology makes population control the seeming centerpiece of their coercive agenda.

Until now, in this campaign, there has existed a strange silence on the subject of her absolute insistence on promoting the "destroying" of human life in the womb.

Yet, she recently threw out a line about how "every child deserves the chance to live up to his or her God-given potential. . . ."

Does that apply to the late-term child in the womb, Mrs. Clinton?

On the underlying question moral question discussed here, nothing addresses it better than the simple logic of this quotation from Mother Teresa, who, at the National Prayer Breakfast in Washington, DC on February 3, 1994, as cited above, stated: "And if we accept that a mother can kill even her own child, how can we tell other people not to kill one another?"

Mother Teresa's declaration may be the most powerful statement in 2016 from which to begin discussions of where a candidate stands on all the questions of life and liberty.

In America, our constitutional protections rest on the Founders' premise that each and all individuals are "endowed by their Creator" with the unalienable right to both life and the liberty to enjoy it, or, in their words, "the pursuit of happiness."

The sole reason these rights were deemed unalienable is that both are derived from the Creator--not from the mother or father, and not from government or judicial decision. What is "granted" by human decision also can, by implication, be withheld.

"The God who gave us life, gave us liberty at the same time: the hand of force may destroy, but cannot disjoin them (life and liberty)," said Thomas Jefferson.

"The world is different now. . . and yet the same revolutionary beliefs for which our forefathers fought are still at issue around the globe--the belief that the rights of man come not from the generosity of the state but from the hand of God." - John F. Kennedy, Inaugural Address

That understanding underlies every other consideration embodied in our Declaration of Independence and every protection of our Constitution. It is the very basis of our rights to life and liberty, of laws to protect them, and it distinguishes ours from other forms of government.

When we fail to acknowledge that foundation of our liberty, then we risk liberty itself for future generations, for where does the right to choose who lives and who does not really end?

That is why the question is of vital importance in each election. Already, we have deprived millions of their Creator-endowed rights to life and liberty, and our nation must be weaker for their loss. We need leaders who understand the implications and potential consequences of departing from our founding principles.

In recent decades, technological advances have enabled us to observe the characteristics and actions of God's tiniest creations in the womb. Unlike previous generations who could not see, we have no excuse for imagining that these are mere blobs of tissue labeled "fetuses." In their early weeks, we now can see that they are living babies who will continue on to possess life and liberty if we do not "destroy" both. Indeed, they are simply smaller versions of ourselves.

Questions on the economy, taxes, threats from terrorists, health care--all are considerations at this election time. One, however, may be basic to all others. Who will best protect the underlying premise of our Constitution--and the lives and liberties of millions yet unborn?

Promises are illusive and cheap. One fact is indisputable, however: Hillary Clinton is committed to the Far Left's agenda on this matter, and that agenda is not compatible with our Constitution's premise.

Some time ago, my attention was drawn to a late-1800's essay which helps to explain the absolute, unbending positions "progressives" hold on what that writer called "population control" and its necessity to "socialism"--the essential position being that without such mechanisms, socialism cannot work in a society.

There is an oft-overlooked imperative for the Democrat Party's hard stand on abortion, as declared in the first paragraph of a late-1800's analysis of "The Impracticability of Socialism." In that paragraph, the writer's point seems to be that under Socialism, ordinary human population growth cannot be economically supported.

The following is quoted from the Liberty Fund Library "A Plea for Liberty: An Argument Against Socialism and Socialistic Legislation," edited by Thomas Mackay (1849 - 1912), Chapter 1, final paragraphs from Edward Stanley Robertson's essay, "The Impracticability of Socialism":

Note the writer's emphasis that the "scheme of Socialism" requires what he calls "the power of restraining the increase in population"--long the essential and primary focus of the Democrat Party in the U. S.:

"I have suggested that the scheme of Socialism is wholly incomplete unless it includes a power of restraining the increase of population, which power is so unwelcome to Englishmen that the very mention of it seems to require an apology. I have showed that in France, where restraints on multiplication have been adopted into the popular code of morals, there is discontent on the one hand at the slow rate of increase, while on the other, there is still a 'proletariat,' and Socialism is still a power in politics.
I.44
"I have put the question, how Socialism would treat the residuum of the working class and of all classes—the class, not specially vicious, nor even necessarily idle, but below the average in power of will and in steadiness of purpose. I have intimated that such persons, if they belong to the upper or middle classes, are kept straight by the fear of falling out of class, and in the working class by positive fear of want. But since Socialism purposes to eliminate the fear of want, and since under Socialism the hierarchy of classes will either not exist at all or be wholly transformed, there remains for such persons no motive at all except physical coercion. Are we to imprison or flog all the 'ne'er-do-wells'?
I.45
"I began this paper by pointing out that there are inequalities and anomalies in the material world, some of which, like the obliquity of the ecliptic and the consequent inequality of the day's length, cannot be redressed at all. Others, like the caprices of sunshine and rainfall in different climates, can be mitigated, but must on the whole be endured. I am very far from asserting that the inequalities and anomalies of human society are strictly parallel with those of material nature. I fully admit that we are under an obligation to control nature so far as we can. But I think I have shown that the Socialist scheme cannot be relied upon to control nature, because it refuses to obey her. Socialism attempts to vanquish nature by a front attack. Individualism, on the contrary, is the recognition, in social politics, that nature has a beneficent as well as a malignant side. . . .
I.46
"Freedom is the most valuable of all human possessions, next after life itself. It is more valuable, in a manner, than even health. No human agency can secure health; but good laws, justly administered, can and do secure freedom. Freedom, indeed, is almost the only thing that law can secure. Law cannot secure equality, nor can it secure prosperity. In the direction of equality, all that law can do is to secure fair play, which is equality of rights but is not equality of conditions. In the direction of prosperity, all that law can do is to keep the road open. That is the Quintessence of Individualism, and it may fairly challenge comparison with that Quintessence of Socialism we have been discussing. Socialism, disguise it how we may, is the negation of Freedom. That it is so, and that it is also a scheme not capable of producing even material comfort in exchange for the abnegations of Freedom, I think the foregoing considerations amply prove."
EDWARD STANLEY ROBERTSON
With Hillary, isn't this the choice we must make--a path to tyranny or a possible path back to freedom in America?

16 posted on 10/07/2016 10:57:16 AM PDT by loveliberty2
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So people have less abortions despite the PP democrat pimping and that is thanks to democrat Pp pimping!?

The democrat language is clear: there is no unborn live baby, hence they refuse child support for abused pregnant women who are forced to go to PP for an abortion.


17 posted on 10/08/2016 5:14:39 AM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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