Posted on 09/30/2016 4:54:57 AM PDT by Texas Fossil
Franklin Graham answered FBI's call to save lives, he testifies during Oregon standoff trial Maxine Bernstein | The Oregonian/OregonLive By Maxine Bernstein | The Oregonian/OregonLive Email the author | Follow on Twitter on September 29, 2016 at 12:48 PM, updated September 29, 2016 at 7:28 PM
The Rev. Franklin Graham testified Thursday that he flew his own plane from North Carolina to Oregon in February to try to save lives, concerned about the four holdouts occupying a federal wildlife sanctuary as well as the FBI agents trying to get them to surrender.
With no formal training, Graham said he relied on God as he accepted the FBI's request late on Feb. 10 for him to get to the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge immediately to help them. By then, he had been speaking to the holdouts daily, after first being called Jan. 28 by the FBI to intercede.
The prominent evangelist and son of the Rev. Billy Graham played a key role in negotiating the end of the 41-day standoff. He's president of Samaritan's Purse and the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association.
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Now it is in bureaucrap hands. Federal courts are a place to be avoided at all cost. Seldom are cases won by defendants.
“It is still tragic that this was not peacefully resolved.”
What could have been done to bring about a more peaceful resolution, and more importantly preventing a shooting death?
Peaceful resolutions don’t make examples of the serfs.
I’m not sure. I certainly did not advocate the takeover of the refuge.
There is a legitimate grip against the handling of the Hammonds return to prison.
But 2 wrongs don’t make things right either.
Federal Trials are almost always a slam dunk for the Feds.
true statement.
Would Franklin Graham negotiate with Mormons?
“I certainly did not advocate the takeover of the refuge.”
I believe in the right to bear arms and the right to protest. And taking over the fed refuge was not a bad idea. IMO, the idea was to gain national attention and put out a message.
But, it should have been done MLK style. Hold a large rally, several of them. I think their crowd would have grown. Possibly their movement could have spread.
But the introduction of weapons, and making them visible, gave the feds the moral high ground in the eyes of the general public and set the stage for the killing of Finicum.
Let’s say Finicum was killed anyway if the group had no guns, then his death would have fallen into the martyr category, making their movement even more valid.
I also recall reading where they destroyed refuge property. Yes, this is public property, and it does belong to them, but it also belongs to me and every other citizen. Destruction of property was just lawlessness.
In essence, it’s like a little kid poking a big bully with a stick. There can only be one outcome. And with it, as you said, “Federal Trials are almost always a slam dunk for the Feds.”
It could have played out with a much better outcome if a little common sense was used.
Well, I suspect he would. His influence has been applied to some unusual people.
I don’t question his motives. Cannot say the same for the Fed Bureaucrats.
Agree.
“I also recall reading where they destroyed refuge property.”
—there is some dispute about when and who did that.
I am basically in the quandry of agreement with you if I understand you both.
Question on the rally statement for my ignorant self only, have not people attempted to jump start with large peaceful gatherings already? I'm asking because I am forever hearing about peaceful rallies for vets, for Constitutional issues and other things I care about AFTER the fact. I find little snippets in my local news of a group attempting to draw a crowd but the report comes the day AFTER the event with the report of a very small number of people in attendance.
I don't think this could be just me. I think our causes don't have the PR set up that the left has. Conservatives whom I have met at random functions always laughingly joke that it's because *we* are the people who have to work and make a living. But, I would go out and attend things for causes I believe in. Just always a day late and a dollar short.
Sorry if this seems off topic to you guys, I agree with your posts. I am also at a loss as to what can be done.
Civil disobedience canot be tolerated in a police state.
Wneighbor; Texas Fossil
“have not people attempted to jump start with large peaceful gatherings already? I’m asking because I am forever hearing about peaceful rallies for vets, for Constitutional issues and other things I care about”
Yup there’s always something going on that are in the “peaceful” arena.
One thing I will say the compared to Waco & Ruby Ridge, the feds played their hand much better as I think they knew the general public did not approve of excessive violence perpetrated by the feds.
I also read on wiki that Hammond arson folks did not want the militant folks of the standoff representing them, in that the militant segment was from the outside. A number of conspiracy theories can be made from this, some along the lines of the whole thing being a fed set up, with the whole issue and local supporters just being a part of the useful idiot theory.
“I am also at a loss as to what can be done.”
We all are. It is a mistake to present an armed defiance of Federal Agents. They flinched at the Bundy Ranch. They were surprised and caught off guard.
The Feds do not like to be made to look foolish. They did at the Bundy ranch. The Feds were destroying private property and were caught doing it through the media.
Oregon was different. Their defense of the Hammond’s was understandable. Not because they were Mormons, but because the Feds made mockery of justice in the Hammond’s case.
The issue that is real in the Oregon case relates to the historic rogue nature of the HRT and that they lied about firing. They should be held accountable for that lie, but won’t.
The only path to clarity of that event will come after Obozo is out of office and when we again have adult leadership at the Department of JustUS.
It is a sad statement, but that is how I see it.
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