Posted on 09/19/2016 8:06:46 PM PDT by Theoria
The Police Department in Tulsa, Okla., released video on Monday of an encounter during which, the authorities said, a white police officer fatally shot an unarmed black man who could be seen raising his hands above his head.
The department opened a criminal investigation into the shooting and said the Tulsa County district attorney, Steve Kunzweiler, would review its findings. The federal Justice Department opened a separate civil rights investigation.
During the encounter, which took place around 7:40 p.m. Friday, Terence Crutcher, 40, was shot once and killed by Betty Shelby, a Tulsa police officer since 2011, after the police received reports of an abandoned vehicle blocking a road, the department said.
Video recorded by a police helicopter and a patrol car’s dashboard camera shows Mr. Crutcher raising his hands, walking toward a car and leaning against it. He was then Tasered by one officer, Tyler Turnbough, and fatally shot by Officer Shelby, the department said, though the view from both cameras is obstructed in the moments before those actions.
Tulsa’s police chief, Chuck Jordan, said at a news conference Monday that Mr. Crutcher was unarmed and did not have a weapon in his vehicle. Shane Tuell, a police spokesman, said Officer Shelby gave a statement to homicide detectives on Monday morning. She is on paid administrative leave, the department said.
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You are equally positive. What was the justification for the shooting?
Which ones other than this one?
An officer of the law executes an unarmed citizen whose car apparently broke down and some of you are straining to find a reason to justify it when there can be no reason to justify it, or you argue about data storage costs.
The voice from the helicopter calls him a bad dude or something like that? What was that deduction based on other than he was black?
For most of my adult life I believed the cops when they said they killed someone because they were attacked. As more of these videos pop up, it’s no wonder that black people fear cops.
All of those years where I didn’t believe people in the black community who accused cops of murdering innocents have been wiped out.
How do you think the cops would have reported this incident if there was no incriminating video?
How many times have similar things happened where the cops lied about it?
I still believe that most cops are good, but if you can’t condemn what happened in this video, you are either a total fool or you are trying to remain in touch with some agenda.
“The female officer was afraid and she shot him. Her career is over and it should be. Horrible police work.”
Female cops are a useless waste of resources and the product of liberal feminist politics. They cant run fast enough to catch anyone, cant fight, cant restrain/cuff unruly suspects. They also cant be left to patrol by themselves in rural areas. IIRC the rules of engagement regarding when weapons could be used were relaxed because female officers had no other options. Of course the same rules then had to be applied to male officers. Basically police depts are paying the same price for a much less capable female officer than a male officer.
Agree. If I was a good cop, I’d have a body cam even if I had to pay for it myself. The cops are getting themselves in the positions doctors got themselves into a generation ago - a reputation for stonewalling on the truth led to a presumption that bad result = wrongdoing, whether there was or not.
As I have posted multiple times on multiple threads, you can clearly see the reflection on the closed front window when the chopper swings back around after the shooting. It’s harder to see, but there also appears to be a reflection off the back window a few frames earlier in that series.
People asked why body cameras are hard to deploy. I gave you the answer, money and lawyers. Welcome to the litigation society.
If this is not murder then it is impossible for the police to commit it.
What shoddy, dangerously shoddy reporting. No one can tell from this video whether he was tazered, or not. I don't think so. Sounds like a gunshot to me, on Video 1, before he fell down.
It also looks to me that he was lowering his hands, perhaps trying to open his car door when the shot was fired. Hard to tell for sure.
Looks like a bad shooting.... Tazer should have been used first. But, this is not "murder". Manslaughter, maybe. Or, negligent homicide. But, not murder.
Oh wow. The window was shut? This is terrible.
His car was stopped in the middle of the road, and he his disobeying the orders of an office who had a gun pointed at him.
Yea... doing that CAN end up with a death penalty. pretty stupid behavior.
No, never. A gun is always lethal use of force, tactically and legally. So it can never be used for a lesser level use of force.
Either a lethal use of force was necessary or it wasn’t. There is no middle ground.
That’s why these type of shootings create such an uproar when the need for lethal force is not obvious and immediately apparent.
Agree with everything you say. It’s infuriating that the press only reports when there’s a racial angle.Then everybody retreats to tribalism like it’s 1971.
Unfortunately, the issue isn’t LACK of training. It’s the WRONG training! This guy has blood on his hands:
And the stupid decision on the part of the cop? What penalty does she get?
I’m just going with the Times article, paragraph 6: (officer’s attny)”Mr. Wood said Mr. Crutcher had acted erratically, refused to comply with several orders, tried to put his hand in his pocket and reached inside his car window...”
Back to the same video (2). Mark 0:20-26, second by second - watch the horizontal line of the deceased’s shoulders. From hands up straight horizontal at 0:20, between 0:22-24 his right shoulder tilts down about 15degrees. I can’t tell from the video if he’s reaching across the front of his body, or putting his right hand in his pocket, or putting his hand on the door as he’s reaching forward into the car with his left arm, but he’s definitely not stationary and both hands are definitely not up and/or visible-in this video.
We need to know why the car was reported ‘abandoned’ and why it was still blocking both lanes with no flashers on by the time the Leos got there, or what passing motorists who had to go around the vehicle reported. Also, why the deceased wasn’t cooperating with Cop#1 (how did it escalate from a stranded motorist looking for a push off the roadway to hands up, gun drawn), and why the man decided to walk away from Cop#1 after Cop#2 got there.
Maybe it’s a cut and dried case of shooting too fast, but something’s wonky so I’m not ready to call it yet without more perspective.
Odd position for his vehicle. I wonder what caused the cops to freak out?
Wonder why she threw in “with all his flaws”?
I heard they were on the way to another call. Don’t know details.
Freeze it at 41, 42 and 43 seconds in the chopper video at the top of the thread (Post 2?). The reflection off the front window is obvious. The issue isn’t quite as clear as to the back window, but it looks up to me.
I know what you are talking about with the right hand going down and then back up. Might have been reaching for the door handle, a wallet, or something else. But it looks like he raises it again before he’s tased.
So are you saying that officer Tyler Turnbough didn’t taze him before the other officer shot him?
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