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IRS chief: Protect my rights in House impeachment inquiry (clueless bureaucrat)
olneydailymail.com ^ | 9/16/16 | Alan Fram

Posted on 09/17/2016 12:20:16 PM PDT by cotton1706

WASHINGTON (AP) " The head of the IRS wants to be able to call witnesses, present evidence and enjoy other traditional protections if the House formally pursues an effort by conservatives to impeach him, John Koskinen's lawyers told Congress Friday.

Koskinen has agreed to testify under oath next Wednesday to the Republican-run House Judiciary Committee. The panel plans to quiz the commissioner about conservatives' claims that he should be impeached for thwarting congressional investigations into his agency's tough scrutiny of tea party groups seeking tax exemptions.

Koskinen, who didn't join the IRS until after it had already apologized for its treatment of the conservative groups, has denied the charges.

In a letter Friday, Koskinen's lawyers told the committee that if it later begins a formal impeachment inquiry, he should be allowed standard procedural protections. They asked that he be allowed to cross-examine witnesses, object to evidence and examine transcripts of interviews conducted by the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee.

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Hey John, all that happens in the trial...IN THE SENATE!

Read your Constitution!!

And what's more, there is no "right" to remain in office. The people, through their representatives in the legislature (the Congress) are fully empowered to remove you from power if they choose, and if they have the votes.

And the only thing that would happen should you be found guilty by the Senate would be removal from office. Congress is not empowered to prosecute crimes (if any were committed). That would be up to the Executive and Judicial branches.

Again, read your Consitution!

1 posted on 09/17/2016 12:20:16 PM PDT by cotton1706
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To: cotton1706
He HID e-mails...he said they were all DESTROYED when they weren't!!

You girlie men Republicans BETTER STAND TALL AND NOT CAVE ON THIS!!!

2 posted on 09/17/2016 12:22:13 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion....... The HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: cotton1706

Guy who works in the executive branch tells the legislative branch how its going to be.


3 posted on 09/17/2016 12:23:25 PM PDT by Steely Tom (Vote GOP: A Slower Handbasket)
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To: cotton1706

Give Little Johnny K. the same treatment that he gave the Tea Party.


4 posted on 09/17/2016 12:23:51 PM PDT by ptsal
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To: cotton1706

Yes, John, and people in hell want ice water.

Something you’ll get to experience.


5 posted on 09/17/2016 12:28:16 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: cotton1706

The impeachment in the House is only the indictment. The trial takes place in the Senate. That is where he can present his case.

Is it too much to ask that government employees actually understand the Constitution?


6 posted on 09/17/2016 12:33:14 PM PDT by Petrosius
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To: ptsal

He is trash. Add liar, devious, scum, plus a treacherous SOB.


7 posted on 09/17/2016 12:43:53 PM PDT by Lumper20
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To: Petrosius

“The trial takes place in the Senate. That is where he can present his case.”

Even if the House carries through with impeachment during the election season it is difficult to envision a Senate led by Mitch McConnell conducting a trial. Remember the last time the GOP conducted a Senate trail after the Clinton impeachment.

“Is it too much to ask that government employees actually understand the Constitution?”

Progressives believe in the “living” Constitution which is consistently open to interpretation based on the politics of the day. The written word of the Constitution is meaningless to members of the governing elite.


8 posted on 09/17/2016 12:47:30 PM PDT by Soul of the South (Tomorrow is gone. Today will be what we make of it.)
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To: cotton1706

Congress : Impeach IRS Commissioner Koskinen Now

9 posted on 09/17/2016 12:55:20 PM PDT by henbane
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To: henbane

NOW this idiot criminal cares about someone’s rights! He didn’t seem to care about Citizens’ rights. I hope he rots. What a waste of space and air.


10 posted on 09/17/2016 1:23:11 PM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?.)
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To: hal ogen

Let everything be done in a proper manner.

If he is gotten fair to rights and not railroaded, that removes the basis that his political friends would have to complain about vengeance for vengeance’ sake.


11 posted on 09/17/2016 1:48:31 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: cotton1706

They Waffled in the House.


12 posted on 09/17/2016 1:49:50 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Baseball players, gangsters and musicians are remembered. But journalists are forgotten.)
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To: henbane
This guy sure has the mug of an evil bureaucrat.
13 posted on 09/17/2016 1:57:40 PM PDT by Fungi (Soy sauce, you want soy sauce? Enjoy your soy sauce with all the fungi in it!)
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To: Fungi
He IS an evil bureaucrat.

Remember when the IRS brought him in, it was clearly implied that he was there to thwart the investigation, being a seasoned 'rat at that sort of stuff.

14 posted on 09/17/2016 2:01:55 PM PDT by doorgunner69
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To: cotton1706

Why is there no mention of jail time?. These dirtbags should get the same treatment as the average person would - if not worse, since they abused the public trust. Guillotine is ok too.


15 posted on 09/17/2016 2:03:22 PM PDT by profit_guy
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To: cotton1706

Sort of, Congress could find him in contempt just for being an asshole, but it requires a Speaker that isn’t as corrupt or more than the Scumbag Witness.

Congress has ALL the power in washington, the executive and judicial branch operate according to the whims of CONGRESS!

“U.S. CODE
TITLE 2—THE CONGRESS
CHAPTER 6—CONGRESSIONAL AND COMMITTEE PROCEDURE; INVESTIGATIONS
Sec. 193. Privilege of witnesses
No witness is privileged to refuse to testify to any fact, or to produce any paper, respecting which he shall be examined by either House of Congress, or by any joint committee established by a joint or concurrent resolution of the two Houses of Congress, or by any committee of either House, upon the ground that his testimony to such fact or his production of such paper may tend to disgrace him or otherwise render him infamous.”

Simply look up Hinds Precedents, especially chapters 53 and 51, and Cannon’s Precedents, especially chapters 184-185. You’ll find numerous detailed cases of Congress asserting its power, arresting people, holding them until they agreed to answer questions, and then releasing them. Some of these people did not refuse to appear, but simply failed to satisfactorily answer questions. One has to wonder how a previous Congress might have responded to Alberto Gonzales’s endless recitations of “I do not recall.”

Congress can Remove the President
Congress can remove the head of every executive agency Congress can remove ALL of their employees
Congress can Abolish every agency they so choose
Congress can remove EVERY JUDGE IN AMERICA, including every supreme court justice.
Congress can abolish every federal court except the supreme Court
Congress can decide which cases the Judicial Branch can hear and decide
CONGRESS can Imprison ANYONE they want for any reason they so desire for as long as they wish.
Congress can declare WAR

No other governing body has even 10% of the power CONGRESS has!!

CONGRESS IS ALLOWING ALL OF IT!!!

Congress has the authority to arrest and imprison those found in Contempt. The power extends throughout the United States and is an inherent power (does not depend upon legislated act)

If found in Contempt the person can be arrested under a warrant of the Speaker of the House of Representatives or President of the Senate, by the respective Sergeant at Arms.

Statutory criminal contempt is an alternative to inherent contempt.

Under the inherent contempt power Congress may imprison a person for a specific period of time or an indefinite period of time, except a person imprisoned by the House of Representatives may not be imprisoned beyond adjournment of a session of Congress.

Imprisonment may be coercive or punitive.

Some references

[1] Joseph Story’s Commentaries on the Constitution, Volume 2, § 842 http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/print_documents/a1_5s21.html

[2] Anderson v. Dunn - 19 U.S. 204 - “And, as to the distance to which the process might reach, it is very clear that there exists no reason for confining its operation to the limits of the District of Columbia; after passing those limits, we know no bounds that can be prescribed to its range but those of the United States.” http://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/19/204/case.html

[3] Jurney v. MacCracken, 294 U.S. 125 http://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/294/125/case.html 73rd Cong., 78 Cong. Rec. 2410 (1934) https://archive.org/details/congressionalrec78aunit

[4] McGrain v. Daugherty, 273 U.S. 135 - Under a warrant issued by the President of the Senate the Deputy to the Senate Sergeant at Arms arrested at Cincinnati, Ohio, Mally S. Daugherty, who had been twice subpoenaed by the Senate and twice failed to appear. http://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/273/135/case.html

[5] Rules of the House of Representatives, Rule IV Duties of the Sergeant at Arms - [] execute the commands of the House, and all processes issued by authority thereof, directed to him by the Speaker. http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/HMAN-105/pdf/HMAN-105-pg348.pdf

[6] An analysis of Congressional inquiry, subpoena, and enforcement http://www.constitutionproject.org/documents/when-congress-comes-calling-a-primer-on-the-principles-practices-and-pragmatics-of-legislative-inquiry/

In 1857, a New York Times reporter refused to say which members of Congress had asked him to get them bribes (protecting his “sources” just as various Judith Millers today protect the people who feed them proven lies that costs thousands of lives), so Congress locked him up until he answered and then banned him from Congress.

In 1924 an oil executive appeared but refused to answer certain questions, so the Senate held — literally held — him in contempt. Senator Thomas Walsh of Montana argued that this question of contempt was of the gravest importance, and that it involved “the very life of the effective existence of the House of Representatives of the United States and of the Senate of the United States.” The matter was taken to court, and the witness fined and imprisoned.


16 posted on 09/17/2016 2:12:00 PM PDT by eyeamok (destruction of government records.)
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To: cotton1706

He is an at will employee; he has no “right” to employment.


17 posted on 09/17/2016 2:29:54 PM PDT by The_Media_never_lie (Stay ignorant, my friends! (if you watch mainstream media, you will!))
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To: cotton1706
The more political appointees that thwart the will of Congress get shown the door with no federal pension and the more, mid-level managers are fired for political involvement, the better our government will become.
18 posted on 09/17/2016 2:30:23 PM PDT by Robert357 (D.Rather "Hoist with his own petard!" www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1223916/posts)
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To: Lumper20
He is trash. Add liar, devious, scum, plus a treacherous SOB.

Did you mention that he is also a smarta$$?

19 posted on 09/17/2016 2:31:24 PM PDT by The_Media_never_lie (Stay ignorant, my friends! (if you watch mainstream media, you will!))
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To: cotton1706

I want to see his pension and that of Lois Lerner’s suspended indefinitely citing criminal culpability, intent, and dereliction to their oaths of government service.


20 posted on 09/17/2016 2:52:53 PM PDT by Hostage (ARTICLE V):)
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