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A symbol of hatred or history? Obama quietly bans Confederate flag at cemeteries(V.A.)
washingtontimes.com ^ | 8/30/2016 | Stephen Dinan

Posted on 08/30/2016 6:45:06 AM PDT by rktman

The Veterans Affairs Department quietly moved this month to ban flying of Confederate flags from fixed flagpoles at the cemeteries it runs, striking yet another blow against the controversial emblem.

Congress had debated and rejected that change, but the Obama administration decided to move forward anyway, saying it was unilaterally imposing the restrictions.

“In particular, we will amend our policy to make clear that Confederal flags will not be displayed from any permanently fixed flagpole in a national cemetery at any time,” wrote Ronald E. Walters, under secretary for memorial affairs at the VA.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: confederateflg; johnnyreb
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To: rktman

I agree. No foreign flag should fly at national cemeteries.


41 posted on 08/30/2016 8:36:55 AM PDT by VanShuyten ("a shadow...draped nobly in the folds of a gorgeous eloquence.")
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To: VanShuyten

Confederate veterans were declared American by Congress decades ago.Get over it.


42 posted on 08/30/2016 8:54:54 AM PDT by hoosierham (Freedom isn't free)
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To: apocalypto

Why not? A couple of slave states fought for the Union, and Jim Crow existed under the US flag.

The freaks who attack our culture and history underestimate how meaningless the current symbols are to many of us. Muslims view our flag as a symbol of “gay marriage” and godlessness; why do you think it is so easy to make the link?


43 posted on 08/30/2016 9:10:25 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: Windflier

Ya’ got that right...


44 posted on 08/30/2016 9:10:51 AM PDT by HotHunt
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To: ek_hornbeck

You are seriously mistaken. I did not serve in the military to have someone fly a flag flown while killing Americans, loyal Americans defending OUR flag. In this regard there is absolutely no difference between the Nazi flag and the Confederate flag. This has nothing whatsoever to do with being PC or not. It is purely a matter of American patriotism. Sorry you instead wish to devalue and denigrate the lives given to defend America for you political digs. Shame on you.


45 posted on 08/30/2016 9:12:25 AM PDT by Reno89519 (It is very simple, Trump/Pence or Clinton/Kaine. Good riddance Lyn' Ted, we regret ever knowing you)
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To: rktman

The Stars and Bars is only “controversial” to idiots who have no idea what the Cival War was all about.


46 posted on 08/30/2016 9:13:14 AM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: HotHunt

“Ya Got That Right”:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l886uQi6Rhg

Skynyrd rocks. Even the latest rendition that we saw on 8/20/2016. Stood the whole time as did the rest of the audience.


47 posted on 08/30/2016 9:30:00 AM PDT by rktman (Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?!)
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To: AFret.
We have “Native America” printed on our license plates, (Oklahoma).

The way I see it; anyone born in America to at least one American parent is a Native American. The tribes may see it different; that's their problem.

48 posted on 08/30/2016 9:39:44 AM PDT by Boomer (Socialism is death by a thousand cuts)
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To: HotHunt
Where the heck is Congress to rein this rogue in?

I think it's pretty obvious by now they are complicit in his crimes against America and this fundamental effing change they are doing.

49 posted on 08/30/2016 9:41:33 AM PDT by Boomer (Socialism is death by a thousand cuts)
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To: ek_hornbeck
Obama and his minions would be just as happy tearing down the American flag as the Confederate Flag, and just as happy tearing down statues of George Washington as they are tearing down statues of Lee or Davis. They just can't - yet.

Excellent point and very true.

50 posted on 08/30/2016 9:43:20 AM PDT by Boomer (Socialism is death by a thousand cuts)
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To: rktman

What is freedom again? The freedom to put up a flag?


51 posted on 08/30/2016 9:46:56 AM PDT by stillfree? (My My My)
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To: VanShuyten
I agree. No foreign flag should fly at national cemeteries.

Not sure I agree with that. Many fallen heroes were multi-national but the Confederates were American and not foreign. Remember it was brother against brother American's who fought in the first civil war just as it will be in the second when it happens.

We should working to preserve American history as it was and not let it be rewritten by the liberal left and those on the right who agree with them.

52 posted on 08/30/2016 9:49:01 AM PDT by Boomer (Socialism is death by a thousand cuts)
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To: Reno89519
This has nothing whatsoever to do with being PC or not.

Equating the Confederacy with Nazi Germany is a PC talking point. The Confederacy neither attempted to annex a foreign country nor engaged genocide against any group of people.

Those who fought for the Confederacy did so out of loyalty to their states. I happen to think that putting loyalty to your state ahead of loyalty to your nation is wrong (especially since I've lived in about a half-dozen states throughout the US over the years), but not dishonorable. Those who fought for the Confederacy were as honorable as those who fought for the union, and they don't deserve to have their memories spat upon.

53 posted on 08/30/2016 9:54:35 AM PDT by ek_hornbeck
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To: Reno89519
It is purely a matter of American patriotism. Sorry you instead wish to devalue and denigrate the lives given to defend America for you political digs. Shame on you.

You can look at it that way if you wish but don't be surprised when you find out a heck of a lot of people disagree with you. I usually see people who are from Illinois on over to the Atlantic ocean with your attitude. I think you are taught this from birth to believe the South was wrong and that the civil war was about civil rights. It wasn't. It was about money and resources the South had decided to withhold from the North unless their attitude changed. It didn't so war it was. Since the North won they got to tell the story of why the civil war happened; they chose the meme 'slavery' but it was so much more than that. You should learn the real history. To this day the South doesn't like the uppity North telling them how to do things. Have you seen the latest numbers of Texan's who want to secede? Last I saw it was one in three if clinton wins.

54 posted on 08/30/2016 9:58:01 AM PDT by Boomer (Socialism is death by a thousand cuts)
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To: WKUHilltopper
Obama has been driven by a deep hatred against Western culture & traditions, all of his adult life. He is truly despicable; and those who embraced him as a symbol of toleration, do not understand the concept.

But do not ignore the role of the Clintons & others, in making him seem acceptable & almost mainstream:

Creating Hate In America Today.

55 posted on 08/30/2016 10:03:43 AM PDT by Ohioan
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To: rktman

Straight out of the book 1984. Erase history. Then of course it never happened.


56 posted on 08/30/2016 10:07:36 AM PDT by JayAr36 (GOPe is really worried they will lose their gravy train)
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To: Reno89519; wardaddy; Pelham
The tragic war in 1861 to 1865, was never about defending America. It was over a dispute as to what should be the course, role or what have you of the Federal Government.

America were the people (States) who established their unique ethnicity in the Revolution, and the lands they held. The war was over divergent roles--or views of same--for the organization (Federal Union) they established.

The idea of no forgiveness of one side by the other, is a recipe for the very disunion, you seem to abhor.

To put the thing in perspective, imagine what would happen to most major nations, if their people adopted the idea of permanent rejection, for the losing side in any domestic war. Would the United Kingdom be 4 affiliated States, or a vast collection of Balkanized fragments. Would there be such a thing--could there be such a thing--as a modern Germany, France, Spain?

Your military record hardly justifies your contempt for the brave sons of 11 American States, whose forebears, in many cases, made possible the very America you pretend to honor. (You may be the most decorated American of the present day. I doubt that your service was ever the equivalent of that of Robert E. Lee's father & uncle.)

Get off your high horse. We are in the process of losing everything of spiritual, cultural or historic value. Your exclusion of your natural allies in that fight is indefensible.

57 posted on 08/30/2016 10:20:37 AM PDT by Ohioan
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To: Reno89519

Wrong. The Confederate Flag should be flown at cemeteries with Confederate Veteran’s. They are all Americans.


58 posted on 08/30/2016 10:26:14 AM PDT by ohioman
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To: Reno89519; ek_hornbeck; Ohioan

So when the American Colonies seceded from Great Britain a mere 90 years earlier, using your “logic” the Betsy Ross flag was the equivalent of the Nazi flag. Or are you going to try to make an exception for a rebellion that you want to claim versus one that you want to demonize?


59 posted on 08/30/2016 11:00:53 AM PDT by Pelham (Best.Election.Ever)
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To: hoosierham
Confederate soldiers were granted equal status with American soldiers, but the CSA considered itself a foreign country, and no foreign flags at national cemeteries.
60 posted on 08/30/2016 11:34:40 AM PDT by VanShuyten ("a shadow...draped nobly in the folds of a gorgeous eloquence.")
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