Posted on 07/24/2016 3:58:58 AM PDT by reaganaut1
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The solution favored among ranchers is infused with a fatalism that nothing will change — government being government, and the cartels always one step ahead — so why bother. But here it goes:
Intensive, round-the-clock patrols along the border are required for a fence or wall to work; otherwise, those determined to cross will always find a way. But, they argue, if you have boots on the ground, you will have no need for anything so beautiful as the Great Wall of Trump.
It is easy, from a distance, to dismiss the ranchers along the border as right-wing Chicken Littles whose complaints hint of racism. Too easy, in fact.
Ranchers will say they saw people with backpacks trekking across their property last week, last night, early this morning. Some will say they have grudging agreements of access with drug cartels, as long as trespassers stay far from their homes. Dogs bark, motion lights flicker, things go missing.
The unnerving has become everyday life, Mr. Ashurst says, and then he asks my colleague and me where we live. Metropolitan New York, we answer.
Nice, Mr. Ashurst says, still scowling. “But how would you like it?” he asks, referring to the ebb-and-flow parade of strangers, some armed, past his door. “Do you think you’re more important than the poor moron who has the misfortune to live along the border?”
True, the overall number of migrants has plummeted in the last 15 years or so. Here, in what the Border Patrol categorizes as the Tucson sector — about 90,000 square miles, with 262 miles of border — there were 63,397 arrests in the 2015 fiscal year, compared with 10 times that in the 2001 fiscal year.
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A wall is to deter the less committed and to slow up the one’s that do climb over. . .the wall climbers are detected by sensors and Border Patrol Agents are able to respond and intercept.
That is SECURING the border.
When there is talk of securing the border pay close attention because the left will switch the term from “secure” to “seal,” and no border can be sealed.
or maybe they are coming by vehicle, thru tunnels or other ways -
just not the usual routes they were taking before. is my guess.
The key is cracking down on illegal labor and sending illegals home. Even when they get into the legal system, illegal aliens use administration policy to thwart execution of the law.
I really could not care less what you think of me, our Sheriff or Facebook.
I was simply showing the normal people here on Free Republic what some of the border sheriff’s are doing to counter the Federals lack of border control.
Sheesh!
There was another wall in Germany that unfortunately was quite effective.
The model is the 15 miles of double fencing south of San Diego. It has been very effective.
They increased the number of Agents from around 8,000 to around 18,000, and beefed up the TUC Sector.
And, of course, obummer is playing with the numbers.
Used to be the Border Patrol would intercept and “remove” illegal aliens. Those numbers were stand-alone, not counted with any other agency.
ICE would arrest and deport, those numbers would stand alone and not be counted with any other agency.
With obummer, for the first time the Border Patrol remove numbers were added to ICE deportations and surprise, the numbers of arrests/deportations magically goes up.
Turn the Faucet Off – Turn Them All Off
“The facts: Historically, three categories of attempted entrance into the US have not been counted as producing a deportation. These were potential residents who reversed course and went home voluntarily, to preserve an opportunity to re-enter legally. The three were ‘voluntary removal, where someone seeking entry illegally was caught and then given the opportunity to ‘voluntarily’ return to his home country; ‘expedited removal,’ in which someone was administratively removed from the US, again permitting legal return; and ‘deterred turn backs,’ which involved those summarily turned around at the border – and pointed south. These have never been counted as legal “deportations.”
Now, all of a sudden, the Obama White House has secretly changed the meaning of the word “deportation.” The secret definitional change gave them a false brag sheet. As of last year, they quietly count all of three non-deportation categories as legal “deportations,” a term formerly reserved for those removed after apprehension as criminals or illegal aliens in the interior. The Obama team seems to think they have us focused on class warfare, only we caught them. We have noticed. The claim of “record deportations” is thus a fiction. They have actually posted a reverse record – the largest drop in internal deportations since 1973, masked by the definitional change. At the same time, the number apprehended and deported by ICE has dropped, according to some reliable sources, by 20 percent. . . . . . .What is being done is promulgation of another bold misstatement of fact: We are being told that ‘deportations’ are rising, when they are in free fall.’”
Against Mexico??
Please see my Post 47.
It is a numbers game that is manipulated by The Messiah.
They currently do a good job just dropping contraband out of Cessnas. Just plastic wrap and some bubble wrap. No parachute needed.
The wall has worked well in Israel and other places throughout the world.
they also had landmines...and rifles...
and i do not mind landmines or rifles...
Agreed, not even the Great Wall of China kept out all invaders, but it certainly did its part to mitigate those who tried. Its like those who rail against abstinence because young girls are still getting pregnant. But, it is arguably valid to say that abstinence works every time it is tried.
This is the typical template game to imply anything will not work 100% so why even try. Like Krauthammer on Friday IMPLYING that Trump said “I will stop all crime” which he did not even come close to saying it like Charles said. Trump correctly said he would RESTORE law and order. Is it a stretch to say that we had at one time in our recent life’s experiences some level of law and order to be restored to?
One of my duty stations was Ft. Huachuca, Arizona from 1974-1976. One of our sections was the test and evaluation for sensors and aerial detection. Granted, most of it was designed for battlefield purposes, but we used the border as a test range. That border was only 17.5 miles line of sight from the airfield that was home to 6 OV-1 Mohawks. Some could say the Mohawk was the turboprop US Army predecessor and mission equivalent of the A-10 Warthog. We used them to fly patrols and also to drop the sensors for us to test since they were not only and attack aircraft, but intelligence capable as well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q78zfc4oLes
In the area from Nogales to Antelope Wells (NM) our sensors were not only used for testing, but also for border enforcement, but even that did not stop it all.
The insinuation that just a wall will stop it is ridiculous on its face, but as a first line of deterrent with all of the above, we can stop ALMOST all of it.There will be breaches, but just like the Berlin Wall, some will risk everything just to try. It just depends on just how desperate those wanting to cross are and also just how the responsive agencies are in developing new ways to augment where weaknesses have been found from those.
I said he was doing a good job. I refuse to have Facebook on my devices. Many feel the same. Just a different link or an explanation would suffice. Didn’t get your full meaning and I suppose it was a link to Facebook. I went there and they asked me to sign in. I couldn’t get what your link was sending us too. An explanation was all I wanted.
I guess we are not normal is we are not part of the Evil Empire that is facebook.
And here I thought I was one of the good guys. . . .
The’ve been doing that for years, even use ultra-lights, too.
And they point to the tunnels. As if there are many and have been highly used. Would be hard to keep a tunnel used by many a secret.
http://www.usborderpatrol.com/Border_Patrol725.htm
“Some could say the Mohawk was the turboprop US Army predecessor and mission equivalent of the A-10 Warthog”
Bwahahahahah. . .stop it. . .you are killin’ me. . .
;-)
“...landmines..”
yes - that it would have to be a manned wall with firepower almost goes without saying.
prison walls work - this one will too
Funny how the East Germans and the North Koreans figured out how to keep people *in*.I’m optimistic that a properly designed,built and staffed wall can lower the flow into the US from the hundreds of thousands to the dozens.
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