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U.S. ordered to lower Navy sonar levels to protect whales
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | July 16, 2016 | Bob Egelko

Posted on 07/16/2016 4:02:49 PM PDT by artichokegrower

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To: Hodar
What level is required for the mission?

Depends on what you're trying to do. Most surface ships use a mid-frequency sonar. But low-frequency sonars work better against very quiet targets.

Is there benefits in learning to master low level sonar?

Like any other technical skill, operating a sonar system takes time to master and practice to keep your skill set up.

Is there an optimal sonar frequency or power level that accomplishes the mission without harming marine life?

Like I said most surface and sub-surface sonar systems operate in the 1000 HZ to 10000 HZ range. Low frequency sonar, which operates at 500 HZ and below, is better for some situations.

We should find a way to navigate without destroying the ear drums of all sea life within miles of a sonar ping.

Sonar is used to find submarines. It has nothing to do with navigation.

21 posted on 07/16/2016 6:00:26 PM PDT by Lower Deck
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Active Duty ping.


22 posted on 07/16/2016 6:15:25 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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23 posted on 07/16/2016 6:16:59 PM PDT by dfwgator
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My gosh,
Why are they allowed to use sonar at all?
Everyone knows it’s lethal to whales and finches.


24 posted on 07/16/2016 6:19:02 PM PDT by sasquatch
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To: artichokegrower
Whales just be needin' some headphones.


25 posted on 07/16/2016 6:19:49 PM PDT by PLMerite (Compromise is Surrender: The Revolution...will not be kind.)
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To: artichokegrower

This is ridiculous. The majority of ASW operations; i.e., looking for submarines, is performed with passive sonars—hydrophones that only listen.


26 posted on 07/16/2016 7:53:39 PM PDT by Lou L (Health "insurance" is NOT the same as health "care")
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To: Lower Deck
Sonar is used to find submarines. It has nothing to do with navigation.

But what about subs? Do subs use sonar for navigation or solely for locating other subs? If they do use sonar for any reason, wouldn't it be in their best interest to do so at a level that is barely above the level of background noise? Ideally, you would want a situation where no one knew that any sonar even occurred. So innocuous that your target is unaware that they had even been acoustically sensed.

27 posted on 07/16/2016 8:10:07 PM PDT by Hodar (A man can fail many times, but he isn't a failure until he begins to blame somebody else.- Burroughs)
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To: Hodar

There is no such thing a stealth active sonar.


28 posted on 07/16/2016 8:19:42 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: artichokegrower

It sure isn’t Sparta any more.


29 posted on 07/16/2016 8:20:45 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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But what about subs? Do subs use sonar for navigation or solely for locating other subs?

In general subs use inertial navigation (i.e. gyroscopes and accelerators and mathematics) to figure out where they are based on what the measured speed and direction has been. They then use charts to figure out where they need to go and how they need to maneuver there. Lather, rinse, repeat...

30 posted on 07/17/2016 12:17:46 AM PDT by pepsi_junkie (ui)
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To: Hodar
But what about subs? Do subs use sonar for navigation or solely for locating other subs?

Solely for detecting other subs. Navigation is done through other means.

If they do use sonar for any reason, wouldn't it be in their best interest to do so at a level that is barely above the level of background noise? Ideally, you would want a situation where no one knew that any sonar even occurred. So innocuous that your target is unaware that they had even been acoustically sensed.

Any noise put into the water can be detected, which is why ASW detection is primarily done through passive acoustic means. Subs are detected by listening for the noise that they make rather than by generating noise yourself.

Active sonar operates on the same principle as radar does above water, except that instead of using radar waves it used sound waves. It is noisy by nature regardless of the sound spectrum used.

31 posted on 07/17/2016 6:03:33 AM PDT by Lower Deck
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Sonar is used to find submarines. It has nothing to do with navigation.

SONAR = Sound NAVIGATION And Ranging.

/ex-SONAR operator

32 posted on 07/17/2016 8:16:52 AM PDT by Moltke (Reasoning with a liberal is like watering a rock in the hope to grow a building)
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/ex-SONAR operator

And when did you use it to figure out where you were? Determining depth under the keel or depth under the ice is one thing. Navigation is quite another

33 posted on 07/17/2016 8:36:45 AM PDT by Lower Deck
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Navigation is more than just “figuring out where you are”. RADAR doesn’t work under water. Take it from there. Anyway, it’s IN THE NAME. Deal with it.


34 posted on 07/17/2016 12:57:57 PM PDT by Moltke (Reasoning with a liberal is like watering a rock in the hope to grow a building)
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Navigation is more than just “figuring out where you are”.

Like what?

RADAR doesn’t work under water.

No kidding?

Anyway, it’s IN THE NAME. Deal with it.

And "Moltke" is in your screen name. Am I to assume you're a German military commander?

35 posted on 07/17/2016 1:03:49 PM PDT by Lower Deck
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To: Lower Deck

SONAR isn’t a screen name.


36 posted on 07/17/2016 2:01:29 PM PDT by Moltke (Reasoning with a liberal is like watering a rock in the hope to grow a building)
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