Skip to comments.The interesting thing that happened when Kansas cut taxes and California hiked them
Posted on 06/18/2016 11:23:17 AM PDT by napscoordinator
In 2012, voters in California approved a measure to raise taxes on millionaires, bringing their top state income tax rate to 13.3 percent, the highest in the nation. Conservative economists predicted calamity, or at least a big slowdown in growth. Also that year, the governor of Kansas signed a series of changes to the state's tax code, including reducing income and sales tax rates. Conservative economists predicted a boom.
Neither of those predictions came true. Not right away -- California grew just fine in the year the tax hikes took effect -- and especially not in the medium term, as new economic data showed this week.
Now, correlation does not, as they say, equal causation, and two examples are but a small sample. But the divergent experiences of California and Kansas run counter to a popular view, particularly among conservative economists, that tax cuts tend to supercharge growth and tax increases chill it.
California's economy grew by 4.1 percent in 2015, according to new numbers from the Bureau of Economic Analysis, tying it with Oregon for the fastest state growth of the year. That was up from 3.1 percent growth for the Golden State in 2014, which was near the top of the national pack.
The Kansas economy, on the other hand, grew 0.2 percent in 2015. That's down from 1.2 percent in 2014, and below neighboring states such as Nebraska (2.1 percent) and Missouri (1.2 percent). Kansas ended the year with two consecutive quarters of negative growth -- a shrinking economy. By a common definition of the term, the state entered 2016 in recession.
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Old saying...”...lonesome as a tourist in Kansas.”
The tax cuts and increases had nothing to do with it.
Cherry picking statistics.
Part of California’s success has been quantitative easing and efforts to prop up the stock market has caused a lot of California businesses to do very well. Coupled with their housing market being strong right now due to Chinese millionaires buying up everything for sale, the state has had growth.
Kansas relies on more traditional agriculture and petroleum for its money and both and still clobbered.
To analogize it, the rich kid made a ton of money working for his dad’s company and selling off his second hand goods to rich Chinese neighbors while the poor kid is struggling because the farm where he works is in drought.
If I was going to pick a control for comparison to a state with booming businesses in information tech and mass entertainment, it wouldn’t be Kansas.
Kansas has been one of the states supporting that cash infusion and has suffered as a result.
Kansas taxes are still awfully high.
They have a 3 tier state income tax 3.5%-6.45% to go with that state sales tax.
California has an immense amount of talent and money coming into it whereas Kansas not so much.
Much of the money is coming from China. Fully one third of houses in San Francisco Los Angeles as well as Seattle are now being bought by overseas Chinese.
Americans are moving out of LA and San Francisco.
The talent coming into California is coming from both the USA and overseas. Silicon valley sinecures are now the coveted ivy leage positions like wall st was two decades ago. 37% of silicon valley workers are foreign born.
The USA has many centers of intellectual property generation
but the greatest of these are in the silicon valley and LA area.
Kansas does not develop much intellectual property.
A lot of tax revenue CA gets comes from capital gains so when the stock market does good as it has been, they do good. Wait till the stock market dives and see what happens.
Comparing Kansas to California?!?! Hey asshats, how about apples to apples here. How is California doing compared to Texas? Silence to ensue.
California still is lousy with liberal entertainment industry nitwit millionnaires, Kansas not so much. This is just another party-line BS straw man argument.
Perfect comparison for democrats that love taxes.
Kansas is a farming state, influenced more by the price of grains, which are currently low, than the tax rate.
A+, it is like comparing an orange to a cucumber in terms of sugar content. This is a great example of bias in statistics.
Wasn’t it the Washington Post a few years back that scrambled to give out bonuses to its staff before the Obamacare tables went into effect?
Thanks, I learned a new word which describes a lot Californians and sinecure pundits in the DC area.
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This word is a corruption of wurari, a word from Macusi, a Carib dialect spoken by the Indians of Guiana. (Today’s Good Word was a suggestion of Aaron Corday, a contributor in our Alpha Agora, who obviously cares a great deal about words.)
“2 billion into a rainy day fund”
They can say only because they are kicking the can down the road on underfunded pensions.
Also, California was hit hard by the recession. So they were going to grow more by percentage because they were hit harder. When the next one comes, There will be fewer wealthy people and more poor people in California. Almost all of this comes from a few companies in Silicon Valley. You take out LA and San Fran and you have a shaky economy. Don’t worry they won’t make it through the next slow down.
As I sit here in Kansas, a few opinions.
First, much of our economy is tied to agricultural commodities...recessions aren’t as bad for us, and the rebounds aren’t as steep.
Next - this is the first year in seven where no part of Kansas is considered to be in drought...remember those ag commodities.
What else do we produce? Oil. Those ‘evil Koch brothers’ are in the oil and gas business in Kansas, in case you’ve never thought of Kansas as an oil producing state. Well, that sector had a rapid growth but is now declining.
Another factor in our state budget: The state supreme court is unconstitutionally dictating state education funding...causing endless special legislative sessions, raiding of highway funds and rainy day funds, and great uncertainty as the state abdicates other responsibilities (to pay for mandated education funds) and forces the counties to suddenly take over - and figure out how to fund them.
And there is a constant clamoring to raise taxes...and I’m confident when Brownback goes, taxes will be raised.
In other words, primarily because liberals will not accept that they lost an election, they refuse to allow us to have a predictable and stabile economic environment...they create chaos and blame Brownback.
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