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Phyllis Schlafly vs. Article V
Article V Blog ^ | June 17, 2016 | Rodney Dodsworth

Posted on 06/18/2016 11:08:48 AM PDT by Da Bilge Troll

From the 1776 Maryland Declaration of Rights and the 1783 New Hampshire Bill of Rights we are reminded of the proper American attitude toward a government hostile to freedom:

The doctrine of non-resistance against arbitrary power, and oppression, is absurd, slavish, and destructive of the good and happiness of mankind.

In a recent post to her Eagle Forum website, the highly respected and admired Phyllis Schlafly unfortunately resorted to a lot of snark and little reason in her decades’ old opposition to an Article V convention of the states to reclaim free government.

Beginning with her title, “Failed Republicans Want to Rewrite the Constitution,” Mrs. Schlafly goes on to imply that since the former candidates Huckabee, Rubio, Jindal failed in their bids for the GOP presidential nomination, whatever they support must be a losing proposition too. Not only are they losers, but since they support what Schlafly derides as “something called the Convention of States,” they are con-artists as well. According to her, these three men and the snake-oil salesmen and volunteers at the Convention of States (COS) project intend to deceive the American people. Schlafly writes, “Theirs is the same old con, or con con.” No, Mrs. Schlafly, yours is a sleazy alliteration far beneath your intellect and standing. Your comment attacks the character of patriotic men and women determined to turn back the progressive tide overwhelming our nation.

Mrs. Schlafly eventually gets into a bit of substance when she explains that she opposes the COS recommended application, to “limit the authority and jurisdiction of the federal government,” on the grounds that our Constitution is “wonderful,” and how can new language improve a government designed by the “most brilliant political thinkers in American history?” Well, Mrs. Schlafly, it doesn’t take a reincarnated visiting French nobleman by the name of de Tocqueville to see that which is obvious: after almost 230 years, the Framers’ Constitution has been horribly corrupted. Instead of serving its stated purposes as per its Preamble ( . . . secure the Blessings of Liberty . . . ), various laws, executive precedents and many scotus decisions have transformed a once wonderful governing form into an instrument of usurpation that tramples our God-given unalienable rights on a daily basis.

The most brilliant thinkers in political history were not so conceited as to believe their design was perfection on earth. The existence of Article V is self-evident proof of their humility.

Next, Mrs. Schlafly displays a common misunderstanding of the hierarchy of law. The state convention process draws its independence from two sources: Natural Law and from Article V itself. A convention to recommend amendments to the supreme law of the land is simply above the government. It represents the natural law right of all societies to frame their compact of union. Government, as the servant, cannot supersede the master. Furthermore, the Framers created a stand-alone Article in recognition of the sovereign superiority of the amendment process, rather than detail an amending procedure in Article I and subject it to congressional control.

Alexander Hamilton, a man not known for his states-rights approach to republicanism, wrote in The Federalist #85 that once two-thirds of the states apply, nothing is left to the discretion of congress. Mrs. Schlafly believes congress has discretion to determine if, at all, it will call a convention.

From the simple custodial duty of congress to call a convention, Mrs. Schlafly reads further powers into Article V that just aren’t there. Contrary to the opinion of Mrs. Schlafly, should congress or scotus attempt to control state delegate selection, their voting power, number of delegates, rules of the convention and so forth, the states must let facts be submitted to a candid world that a state convention to propose amendments is the expression of the sovereign capacity of the people and is thus beyond the grasp of congress or scotus. The role of congress is limited by Article V to the duty of calling a convention and specifying the mode of ratification. To assert additional powers of government beyond those enumerated is the habit of Leftists, not conservatives.

Notice also in her column, Mrs. Schlafly deftly changed the word, ‘application’ in Article V to ‘petition.’ Our Framers were careful wordsmiths. The word petition is associated with underlings, with peasants who humbly ask their lord for relief. On the other hand, to apply is to put the recipient on notice. In the context of Article V, the component members of the American republic inform congress of their intent to consider amending the Constitution.

Let’s resort to first principles. Unalienable rights are just that. Neither congress, nor the president, nor the scotus can take away the Natural Rights of individuals or society. For instance, as individuals, we have the natural and God-given right to defend ourselves. The Second Amendment grants nothing. The 2A merely acknowledges a preexisting right. If Article V was absent from the Constitution, would we, the sovereign people, not have the right to amend our form of government? Of course we do! The Constitution is our creation. It belongs to us, and no institution has the authority to deny society of the right to set the limits of their government.

Next, Mrs. Schlafly equates the excruciatingly detailed calls of the democratic and republican party leaderships to their national conventions with what she believes congress may insist in its call to a state amendments convention! Need I explain the total absence of substantive equivalence between the two?

Perhaps as the ultimate, uncalled for and undignified slam at the persons of Huckabee, Rubio and Jindal, Mrs. Schlafly attributes their support for an Article V “circus” as somehow promoting their political future.

Mrs. Schlafly apparently equates an Article V convention with an actual and dangerous circus, the congress of the United States. While I debunked that equivalence in an earlier blog post directed at The John Birch Society, suffice to say here that states will send delegates with detailed commissions that provide for punishment should a delegate wander outside his authorized power. In other words, the states will not send schlubs off the streets and arm them with plenipotentiary power.

Considering the precarious condition of the remains of the American republic, why does Mrs. Schlafly assume the states will recommend amendments that will ensure its destruction?

I ask Mrs. Schlafly, what is her solution to the accelerating tyranny that is America 2016? I say that to recommend doing nothing beyond voting every two years is to condone Obamunism. Maryland and New Hampshire got it right: The doctrine of non-resistance against arbitrary power, and oppression, is indeed absurd, slavish, and destructive of the good and happiness of mankind. What say you, Mrs. Schlafly?


TOPICS: Editorial; Philosophy; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: articlev; conventionofstates; phyllisschlafly
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To: Huck
"The Constitutional Convention itself was a coup that went far beyond the scope authorized by the Congress."

Ah, yes. The old "our current Constitution is illegitimate and illegal" argument.

21 posted on 06/18/2016 11:58:14 AM PDT by Da Bilge Troll (Defeatism is not a winning strategy!)
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS

See Post 21.


22 posted on 06/18/2016 11:59:33 AM PDT by Da Bilge Troll (Defeatism is not a winning strategy!)
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To: arthurus
"things might go wrong"

How? Ratification is required.

23 posted on 06/18/2016 12:01:15 PM PDT by Da Bilge Troll (Defeatism is not a winning strategy!)
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To: JimRed

“.....they want to REINSTATE it.”

I see NO good coming out of a convention of states given the political make up of the US today.

An Article V Convention of States WILL wind up re-writing the Constitution and I have little faith towards the good. How many people like the original Founders do you see in the US? Me neither!

Put me down as agin it!


24 posted on 06/18/2016 12:05:56 PM PDT by Forty-Niner (The barely bare, berry Bear formily known as Ursus Arctos Horrilibis (or U.A. Californicus))
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To: itsahoot
"If they won't obey the current law"

[I assume you mean current Constitution]. This is not strictly true. Some parts are obeyed and some parts not. We still have a Congress, a President and a Supreme Court, for instance. We still hold elections every 2 years. So far, 0bama has not overstayed his term limit.

It is the structural parts that are obeyed and those need to be modified - such as term limits for Congress and the Supreme Court, for instance. Congress would never vote for that but a Convention probably would.

25 posted on 06/18/2016 12:08:55 PM PDT by Da Bilge Troll (Defeatism is not a winning strategy!)
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS

Being a distraction is the ultimate issue here.

They’d have to get anything past enough flyover states to leave only 12 holdouts. Corruption is nothing new. Most people favored the crown in Revolutionary era America.


26 posted on 06/18/2016 12:09:34 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Edward.Fish

Regulations and bans are nothing compared to bribes. If it were not for the bribes, nobody would stand for the regulations and bans.


27 posted on 06/18/2016 12:10:17 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Da Bilge Troll

The Court is America’s constitutional Achilles heel and would stay so even if it had to be repopulated every two Presidential terms.

The Bork Amendment, which provides for a supermajority of Congress to be able to nullify any court decision, allows for one safety valve there. The late Scalia knew of the problem and lamented it worse than any policy the court might come up with.


28 posted on 06/18/2016 12:13:40 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Da Bilge Troll
You have NOT thought through your own statements. You say "One State One Vote." True enough. However, how is that one vote reached but by majority vote of the delegates. Lord The a Convention sets their own rules see the First Constitutional Convention.

leave our present Constitution alone we have enough problems electing people that will obey it.

29 posted on 06/18/2016 12:17:46 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Regulations and bans are nothing compared to bribes. If it were not for the bribes, nobody would stand for the regulations and bans.

This is true, but I didn't want to get quite wrapped up in that... I loathe corruption in our government.

30 posted on 06/18/2016 12:27:41 PM PDT by Edward.Fish
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To: Da Bilge Troll
I suggest people supporting an Article V convention actually read the Article and see WHAT IT DOES NOT SAY!!!!!!!!!! It does NOT state the number of delegates, it does not state what instructions they have to follow, it does not state how they vote; it does not say they cannot eliminate amendments (i.e. The Second Amendment)

The Constitution was made by and for Anglo-Americans. It's provisions could be stretched to accommodate West Europeans by reason of similar cultures and work ethic.. The current demographics are Third World parasites who will seek ever expanding "Freebies." LEAVE OUR CONSTITUTION ALONE. Study the background and proceedings of the First Convention.

31 posted on 06/18/2016 12:28:09 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS
"how is that one vote reached but by majority vote of the delegates"

That is up to each state legislature. The could send one delegate or 100. Still only one vote. Up to them.

32 posted on 06/18/2016 12:29:17 PM PDT by Da Bilge Troll (Defeatism is not a winning strategy!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

It was NOT corruption to favor the crown it was a political decision. The Revolutionary and Civil Wars were largely political in nature; i.e. how should we be governed. Today the politicians want only power, perks , position and money. The latter IS CORRUPTION.


33 posted on 06/18/2016 12:31:50 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS
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To: Da Bilge Troll

I believe Article V is the only hope for change.

The operating system needs to be corrected.


34 posted on 06/18/2016 12:32:22 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (BREAKING.... Vulgarian Resistance begins attack on the GOPe Death Star.....)
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS
"it does not state how they vote; it does not say they cannot eliminate amendments"

Yes, it does. The Convention will have NO POWER to CHANGE ANYTHING, only propose amendments, which is what Congress can do now. Why hasn't Congress proposed eliminating the 2nd Amendment?

35 posted on 06/18/2016 12:34:09 PM PDT by Da Bilge Troll (Defeatism is not a winning strategy!)
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To: Da Bilge Troll

What you state is not an answer. It is the left wing quality of the legislatures of the states I named; i.e. California, Illinois etc. etc. You are delivering our Republic right into the hands of extreme leftists all for purposes of following some slogan.


36 posted on 06/18/2016 12:35:17 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS
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To: HiTech RedNeck
"The Court is America’s constitutional Achilles heel and would stay so even if it had to be repopulated every two Presidential terms."

Of course. I did not mean to imply that term limits are all that is necessary. I believe the 17th Amendment should be repealed. I think we also need a State Repeal Amendment (similar to The Bork Amendment but without Congress being involved); a balanced budget/revenue limit amendment; perhaps others.

37 posted on 06/18/2016 12:40:35 PM PDT by Da Bilge Troll (Defeatism is not a winning strategy!)
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS
" It is the left wing quality of the legislatures of the states I named; i.e. California, Illinois etc. etc."

There are more state legislature controlled by Republicans today that at any time in the last century.

I do not see doing nothing as a viable alternative. What is your plan to accomplish your objectives?

38 posted on 06/18/2016 12:43:34 PM PDT by Da Bilge Troll (Defeatism is not a winning strategy!)
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To: Da Bilge Troll
Beginning with her title, “Failed Republicans Want to Rewrite the Constitution,” Mrs. Schlafly goes on to imply that since the former candidates Huckabee, Rubio, Jindal failed in their bids for the GOP presidential nomination, whatever they support must be a losing proposition too. Not only are they losers, but since they support what Schlafly derides as “something called the Convention of States,” they are con-artists as well. According to her, these three men and the snake-oil salesmen and volunteers at the Convention of States (COS) project intend to deceive the American people.

I wouldn't call it a "con," but I doubt they're entirely serious. If you want an 18th century constitution, you need an 18th century population that puts 18th century demands and restrictions on government. If you can't get that, if people want more from government and don't want to live with government on an 18th century scale, you won't get what you want, and are better off sticking with what we have -- making it better to be sure, but not scrapping it thinking that you'll get anything like the Constitution of 1787 to replace it. Because you won't.

39 posted on 06/18/2016 12:46:29 PM PDT by x
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS
leave our present Constitution alone we have enough problems electing people that will obey it.

There are a few changes that might be worth considering, especially if they had the punishments already described. OneWingedShark's Amendment Booklet gives some ideas how, esp. Sections 6 & 8 of his "Fiscal Responsibility" Amendment.

40 posted on 06/18/2016 12:48:54 PM PDT by Edward.Fish
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