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To: nevergore

He is not even up for election. Why this flip flop

I do think its horrible this nut could get a gun. What is wrong with the FBI not putting him on a nutjob list?

I feel bad for the people who were shot, the club took away their right to carry their guns in the club for self protection, and the Club didn’t provide armed security. The club had bouncers but I guess they were not packin heat.

The carnage could have been 100 percent avoided, inept FBI , Lib gun free zones, Cheap Club not hiring security.


5 posted on 06/15/2016 6:09:37 AM PDT by Zenjitsuman (Y)
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To: Zenjitsuman

Lists are dangerous. Specially like the much talked about “NO fly list”. People can somehow get on it and there is very little recourse. If you read more on the attack, I believe there was security at the club. But, being law abiding citizens, because of FL law concerning places serving alcohol and CCW, they died. The GUN FREE ZONE prohibition did’t seem to bother the shooter.


17 posted on 06/15/2016 6:14:03 AM PDT by rktman (Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?!)
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To: Zenjitsuman
> I feel bad for the people who were shot, the club took away their right to carry their guns in the club for self protection...

I've never seen a bar or club that served alcohol that permitted firearms inside. Back in the day the rule was "Check your guns at the door".

> ... and the Club didn’t provide armed security. The club had bouncers but I guess they were not packin heat.

Now THAT is the problem. If you want security, you have to provide them with superior firepower.

33 posted on 06/15/2016 6:23:45 AM PDT by dayglored ("Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.")
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To: Zenjitsuman

Why this flip flop? Money and personal security. Bribery and blackmail.


41 posted on 06/15/2016 6:28:07 AM PDT by arthurus
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To: Zenjitsuman

The club probably had security. There was an off duty cop there who returned fire and induced Mateen to retreat to the bathroom which probably limited the carnage. News reports mention the cop and talk about a doorman. My surmise is that the cop was the doorman. Clubs like that like to hire off duty cops for bouncers and security.


46 posted on 06/15/2016 6:30:36 AM PDT by arthurus
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To: Zenjitsuman

He is not even up for election. Why this flip flop


It’s a favor for blue state GOPers like Ayotte up for reelection. McConnell is all about personal power. The country be damned.


58 posted on 06/15/2016 6:38:44 AM PDT by lodi90 (Clear choice for Conservatives now: TRUMP or lose)
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To: Zenjitsuman

“What is wrong with the FBI not putting him on a nutjob list?”

Here’s the problem: Obama controls the “nutjob list”, and you would not even know you were on it until you tried to buy a gun. If on it, you would have no means to clear your name. You are guilty until proven innocent, which is contrary to American law.


75 posted on 06/15/2016 7:11:41 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (We're a nation of infants, ruled by their emotion)
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To: Zenjitsuman
...I feel bad for the people who were shot, the club took away their right to carry their guns in the club for self protection, and the Club didn’t provide armed security...

This is just blatantly untrue.

The gun-free zone where liquor is sold by the drink is state law, not a club rule. The club did not take their guns away, Florida did that.

There was an off-duty officer, hired by the club, who was armed. What part of that corresponds with "the Club didn’t provide armed security?"

Now, the club may not have provided what you consider to be enough armed security, but they did have armed security. OTOH how much armed security should a nightclub provide?

76 posted on 06/15/2016 7:11:44 AM PDT by CurlyDave
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To: Zenjitsuman

He’s just flipping to the side he’s always been on - Obamas. We just didn’t know how full on in the tank he was til now.


116 posted on 06/15/2016 9:07:27 AM PDT by uncitizen (Gloves OFF! Go Trump!)
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To: Zenjitsuman

Denying him a gun because of an FBI investigation is one thing, but how about revoking his license as a security guard for a government contractor ? How many other government security contractors out there have Islamic extremists connections ?


118 posted on 06/15/2016 9:41:17 AM PDT by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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To: Zenjitsuman

Simple. They want Trump to lose.


135 posted on 06/15/2016 3:05:28 PM PDT by Pinkbell (Liberal tolerance only extends to people they agree with.)
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To: Zenjitsuman; All

This event has influenced public opinion, including that of Republicans.

http://www.aol.com/article/2016/06/15/one-statistic-shows-how-the-orlando-shooting-has-swayed-public-o/21396177/


142 posted on 06/15/2016 9:50:30 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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