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The article is more about the reaction to Mr. Wilcox's argument for marriage. I am not a half believer in the benefits. Mr. Wolcox commits a correlation is causation error. Women given their tendency towards hypergamy will only marry men who have the characteristics that are associated with higher socioeconomic status or already achieve higher socioeconomic status. Therefore, marriage is more a signal than a reason. I do not support people like Mr. Wilcox who blame men for not "manning up" for the decline in marriage. It is a two way street or as Spengler’s Universal Law of Gender Parity states:

“In every corner of the world and in every epoch of history, the men and women of every culture deserve each other. ”

1 posted on 05/20/2016 7:34:08 AM PDT by C19fan
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But a lot of this negativity toward marriage is about divorce... It often ends with the man losing primary custody of his kids, a substantial share of his assets, and control of a large fraction of his income.

You might term this a disincentive, yes. And it can be worse. I lost a friend to suicide from being denied access to his daughters out of a spiteful and false accusation of child molestation. That can be a very difficult thing to forget.

30 posted on 05/20/2016 7:52:27 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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Some men like to wallow in their loserness.

Liberal victim worldview.


34 posted on 05/20/2016 7:52:45 AM PDT by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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You are speaking my language, Red Piller.


37 posted on 05/20/2016 7:53:42 AM PDT by KC_Conspirator
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“I noted, among other things, that married men work harder (about 400 more hours), smarter (they’re less likely to quit without having found another job), and more successfully (they make about $16,000 more per year) than their single peers.”

Except that most of that money (and half of everything else) will go to the wife in a divorce. All together a huge loss for the man.


39 posted on 05/20/2016 7:54:10 AM PDT by Brooklyn Attitude (The first step in ending the War on White People, is to recognize it exists.)
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You are right.
Studies of correlation do not distinguish between cause and effect. It’s perfectly possible that a stable marriage is an effect, not a cause. Wilcox does not consider that. A common fault with these things. Just like that business of playing Mozart to babies.


42 posted on 05/20/2016 7:59:25 AM PDT by buwaya
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I think it’s fine if a man decides other men have all he needs.


43 posted on 05/20/2016 7:59:31 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("We like us the way we are. That makes us real, true friends." ~ The Undead Thread)
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Divorce lawyers don’t help.
Why do you think they want gay marriage cause they care? No they triple their business.


45 posted on 05/20/2016 7:59:53 AM PDT by longfellow (Bill Maher, the 21st hijacker.)
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“The Divorce Revolution Has Bred An Army Of Woman Haters”

If there is an army of woman haters it is in response to the huge army of MAN-Hating women out there who view marriage as a get rich quick scheme. The feminist movement has brainwashed women to see men as their enemy and not their partners. Men see the system as greatly biased against them and are understandably reluctant to stick their face in a lawn mower.


47 posted on 05/20/2016 8:01:56 AM PDT by Brooklyn Attitude (The first step in ending the War on White People, is to recognize it exists.)
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“Mr. Wolcox commits a correlation is causation error. Women given their tendency towards hypergamy will only marry men who have the characteristics that are associated with higher socioeconomic status or already achieve higher socioeconomic status.”

Correct.

I am happily married, but it is somewhat of a fluke, in that I married a former military woman who is a medical doctor whom I have known since about age 2. (My father was the ranch foreman on a ranch spanning an Apache reservation and her father was quite literally an Indian Chief.)

But most American woman are self-entitled horrid people, with all the backing of the legal and social community.

In general, I would recommend against marrying any of them.


51 posted on 05/20/2016 8:07:44 AM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (Orange is the new brown)
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Family Court is the most unfair process you will ever have to deal with... pray you never have to. It is not designed to find a quick reasonable resolution to divorce, or protect the children... it it just an irrational mess that will leave everyone involved broken.


57 posted on 05/20/2016 8:11:32 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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“the Men Going Their Own Way (MGTOW) movement, which encourages men to avoid romantic relationships with women”

Translation: Homosexuals.


61 posted on 05/20/2016 8:15:25 AM PDT by MeganC (The Republic of The United States of America: 7/4/1776 to 6/26/2015 R.I.P.)
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Interesting article of interest to us both!

Shalom!


65 posted on 05/20/2016 8:16:28 AM PDT by MeganC (The Republic of The United States of America: 7/4/1776 to 6/26/2015 R.I.P.)
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“In the video, I noted, among other things, that married men work harder (about 400 more hours), smarter (they’re less likely to quit without having found another job), and more successfully (they make about $16,000 more per year) than their single peers. I described these as features, not bugs, of married life for men.”

It is true, married men work harder, take far fewer risks such as leaving a job to try something without a firm guarantee ahead, and must earn more. (a wife can go through 16k with horrifying speed.) If you call those “features”.... then lucky you.


68 posted on 05/20/2016 8:20:10 AM PDT by DesertRhino ("I want those feeble minded asses overthrown,,,)
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I discovered, while slow dancing at the 8th grade graduation dance, that girls were warm, soft and smelled good.

Thus began a lifetime of misadventures in the world of romance.

Things have changed considerably since I was in the 8th grade.

My Son went to a small, Christian high school. I thought it would more closely replicate my experience in high school than one of the large public high schools would.

The girls in his school were way different from what I remembered high school girls as being.

They were focused on getting ahead. They didn’t see the boys in their class as potential mates. They saw the boys as competitors for recognition and jobs.

No girl in my Son’s class would date a boy from their class. That would distract from their mission. And their mission was to get a scholarship so they could get a good job.

I think a lot of parents of girls are going to know the joy of bouncing their daughter’s checkbook on their knee.


70 posted on 05/20/2016 8:21:26 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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I’ve heard from a few younger white males that so many of the girls now days are just so trashy. It’s the younger women that are so often initiating sex. Many of these young women like to hook up with black guys for the sex. They end up having an Obama baby and then have a baby daddy for life. They wonder why no one wants them after living the ho life.

And this isn’t some poor uneducated community I am talking about. I guess so many of them spend too much time watching the Kardashians instead of having a clue.


73 posted on 05/20/2016 8:22:14 AM PDT by boycott (--s)
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For men, marriage equals unrequited sacrifice:

Fear of commitment to a marriage relationship is due to negative criterial equivalences about relationships, commitments, marriage, and oneself. These criterial equivalences can be changed by searching through one's personal history or the world itself and finding counterexamples which disprove the inductive conclusion. Finding counterexamples turns the default response of "that is just the way marriage is" to the idea that maybe one has some control over one's marriage, and that it is possible to be in a marriage without sacrificing oneself.

76 posted on 05/20/2016 8:23:00 AM PDT by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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Posted in my National Guard Armory.

The world’s shortest fairly tale:

Once upon a time a man asked a woman to marry him.

The woman said no.

And the man lived happily ever after.


78 posted on 05/20/2016 8:23:57 AM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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This does look like a correlation/causation confusion. The results of the divorce problem fail to speak to the causes of the divorce problem.

Our inquiry should be into the cause of the divorce problem which goes deep and began in earnest around the start of the 20th Century and coincides with a general turning from faith and trust in the God of the Bible and the the Lord Jesus Christ. But in this case, I do believe the coincidental spiritual malaise to also be causal and the cause of the probably single greatest harm to our society and families: women’s rebellion against themselves, their God-given nature, and against men.

The so-called “women’s revolution” AKA “women’s liberation” AKA “women’s suffrage”, is probably our society’s single most destructive phenomenon in our time, leading among other things to infanticide in the slaughter of over 70 million unborn, the full-blown attack on masculinity AND true femininity, women’s full-blown mutiny against submission and obedience to their husbands, antagonism against and competition with men in general, women’s abandonment as keepers of the home as wives and mothers and leading to children who have survived the womb being brought up in day-care centers, the break-up of families, the core unit in society, and increasing sexual confusion in society that we see today.

You can see the power of political correctness here because almost NOBODY talks about this, yet it is maybe the most virulent and malignant disease eating away at our society today.

Satan’s plan today is the same as it was in the beginning - deceive Eve, and Adam will go along with it. Satan’s opportunity came when from hearts lacked ardent trust and faith in God and the Father of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Only God himself can fix this problem. - it is way too big for man to even get close to fixing it.


80 posted on 05/20/2016 8:25:33 AM PDT by Jim W N
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I’m not worried about Hell — ‘CAUSE I WAS MARRIED FOR TWO ___ING YEARS!!!! Hell would be like Club Med. Hell would be like a ___ing resort.

I’d get down to the gates of Hell and Satan would JUMP OUT....RRROOAAAAARRRRRR!!!!!!

Ah #@$#...you were married huh? Well, I guess there’s nothing much new for you here. Well, I’ll give you the nickel tour anyway....see that? That’s where we torment the soul.......OOOOOOOH!

Say, you didn’t happen to see any single guys coming down the tunnel did you? I can scare the $#@# out of them.

Oh &*(! ....you were married twice? Want a job? That qualifies you for the job placement program here in Hell...

-Sam Kinison


81 posted on 05/20/2016 8:28:31 AM PDT by dfwgator
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The real issue is that with No-Fault Divorce marriage, as permanent union between husband and wife, has been outlawed by the state. Men and women no longer have the right to contract such a marriage. Given that this has been the Christian definition of marriage, the introduction of No-Fault Divorce is a violation of the First Amendment freedom to exercise religion. It is time for Christians, still the majority in this country, to demand the return for the right to contract a permanent union between husband and wife.


82 posted on 05/20/2016 8:29:02 AM PDT by Petrosius
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