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The article is more about the reaction to Mr. Wilcox's argument for marriage. I am not a half believer in the benefits. Mr. Wolcox commits a correlation is causation error. Women given their tendency towards hypergamy will only marry men who have the characteristics that are associated with higher socioeconomic status or already achieve higher socioeconomic status. Therefore, marriage is more a signal than a reason. I do not support people like Mr. Wilcox who blame men for not "manning up" for the decline in marriage. It is a two way street or as Spengler’s Universal Law of Gender Parity states:

“In every corner of the world and in every epoch of history, the men and women of every culture deserve each other. ”

1 posted on 05/20/2016 7:34:08 AM PDT by C19fan
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2 posted on 05/20/2016 7:36:38 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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3 posted on 05/20/2016 7:38:19 AM PDT by InkStone (Omni Vivum Ex Surfboard)
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The destruction of our culture is no fluke.

The elites smiled at no fault divorce.

It serves their agenda.


4 posted on 05/20/2016 7:39:34 AM PDT by T-Bone Texan (Don't be a lone wolf. Form up small leaderlesss cells ASAP !)
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I reserve the right to scratch any part of my body that itches and not apologize for normal bodily functions regardless of their odor.

And, yes ladies, I am available.


5 posted on 05/20/2016 7:39:35 AM PDT by joshua c (Please dont feed the liberals)
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6 posted on 05/20/2016 7:39:47 AM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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Men don't hate. They've adapted.

7 posted on 05/20/2016 7:39:47 AM PDT by BiggerTigger
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If human quality can be measured at all, I would agree that the quality of Men has gone down by a factor of X over the past 75 years or so.

And I would further stipulate that the quality of Women has decreased by a factor of at least 2X over that time period.


8 posted on 05/20/2016 7:40:26 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Nation States seem to be ending. The follow-on should not be Globalism, but Localism.)
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That’s nice. But with the current legal environment I could never in good conscience advise my son to get married.


9 posted on 05/20/2016 7:40:54 AM PDT by null and void ("when authority began inspiring contempt, it had stopped being authority" ~ H. Beam Piper)
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And then you get the Family Law judge that really, really hates men...

10 posted on 05/20/2016 7:41:49 AM PDT by Snickering Hound
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MGTOW

I had one of these. The problem was mostly Lucas.

11 posted on 05/20/2016 7:42:20 AM PDT by super7man (Madam Defarge, knitting , knitting, always knitting)
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He also makes the mistake of ONLY looking at benefits and not considering the risks. Not all men are winners in the marriage game. Perhaps he should compare lifespans, income, suicide rates, etc of DIVORCED men to men who were never married.

As far as I’m concerned, marriage is a farce nowadays. If any party can void the arrangement without cause (and possibly profit by that action at the other’s expense), then it isn’t really a marriage in any form I recognize. Until “no fault” divorce laws are repealed, I doubt I would ever get married in the United States.


12 posted on 05/20/2016 7:42:20 AM PDT by Boogieman
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Marriage is good for a man, if they can find the right woman. There is a kind of conceit among some of today’s women that makes them unmarriageable.


14 posted on 05/20/2016 7:42:42 AM PDT by Crucial
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Both sexes complain about the other sex.

Is marriage really a bad deal for men? Depends on the individual man and woman involved, and their relationship together, I think.

If she’s really a bitch, the marriage will be unhappy.

If he’s abusive towards her, the marriage will be a bad one.

If both are loving and there’s give and take together as they deal with life’s issues, the marriage will be a happy one.

If they agree on fundamentals such as religious faith, lifestyle, how to raise their children, etc. then the marriage will be a good one. If they have fundamental disagreements about key areas of life, there will be tensions.

If the wife is one who is never happy, who is never satisfied that he earns enough or pays enough attention to her, and has other complaints she brings up in bitch sessions with her friends, then the marriage will be troubled.

If he’s out sneaking around with other girls, then the marriage is on thin ice.

If both people aren’t on the same page, there will be problems in marriage.


16 posted on 05/20/2016 7:43:55 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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married men work harder (about 400 more hours), smarter (they’re less likely to quit without having found another job), and more successfully (they make about $16,000 more per year) than their single peers

Married men understand that being seen as inadequate providers is a fast route to divorce court. Many single men have a preference for leisure and low stress over income.

17 posted on 05/20/2016 7:44:27 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Big government is attractive to those who think that THEY will be in control of it.)
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In the video, I noted, among other things, that married men work harder (about 400 more hours), smarter (they’re less likely to quit without having found another job), and more successfully (they make about $16,000 more per year) than their single peers. I described these as features, not bugs, of married life for men

Causation does not equal correlation. It is ALSO likely, that women will pursue men for marriage that are financially stable and more responsible. That does not mean that a single guy who is financially stable and responsible will crash and burn if they don't marry.
18 posted on 05/20/2016 7:44:35 AM PDT by baltimorepoet
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20 posted on 05/20/2016 7:46:36 AM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives.)
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Many people of both genders are too used to getting their own way personally. I know people who, in a strange dichotomy, work like dogs and put crazy hours into their successful careers (and who clearly have good working relationships in their careers), who can’t, nor even really try, to maintain successful personal relationships. It’s a result of being porn-addled, non or anti-religious, unschooled in personal communications — which makes them completely selfish at a fundamental level. They can’t fathom the amount of “give” required to justify the amount of “take” they expect from their personal relationships.


21 posted on 05/20/2016 7:47:04 AM PDT by Wyrd bið ful aræd (Don't Tread On Me)
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I have a feeling this is going to be a ‘fun’ thread.

My own contribution then is this:

I’m happily married, but before I got here I was in a marriage where I was the one who had to sacrifice everything for the sake of the marriage. In her defense though she saw what she was doing, (only after she left me for a fresh ‘suckee’) and graciously conceded to a relatively bloodless divorce. I even got custody of our three children. Frankly she couldn’t take being around them, they took time from her pursuing her desires and were a responsibility she gladly dumped on me.

But now? Now I’m very happy and very content in my life now.

On the other hand I do understand why the MGTOW movement is gaining adherents, particularly among the children of divorce.


22 posted on 05/20/2016 7:48:27 AM PDT by The Working Man
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“I have known more men destroyed by the desire to have wife and child and to keep them in comfort than I have seen destroyed by drink and harlots.” - poet William Butler Yeats.

My wife announced yesterday (May 19) that she is leaving, to move out of state, to be with her “Facebook” boyfriend. Good riddance to her cheating royal highness.

And my first wife was a harpy, that *I* couldn’t stand anymore, and I can tolerate almost anything.

I’m done with women. Never again. I’ve learned my lessons well.

Maybe I took longer than the rat in a cage learned to jump when the light comes on, from getting electrocuted when the light comes on. But I’ve learned, finally.

NAWALT? Not all women are like that? ROTFLMAO.

EWALT. ENOUGH WOMEN ARE LIKE THAT.


23 posted on 05/20/2016 7:49:33 AM PDT by baltimorepoet
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Considering all of these issues and troubles, what we’re seeing makes sense.

It makes sense for men to avoid marriage.

Marriage has always been something of a leap of faith.

But in today’s world, I can understand men who weigh the factors and decide marriage is not for them.

Men can be happy with dating and enjoying female companionship without all the downsides of marriage, then one can understand them doing so.


27 posted on 05/20/2016 7:51:34 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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