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Since Giuliani is being considered by Trump for head of DHS this information may be useful to vet him for that position.

Last I heard our Constitution did not apply to foreign people outside the Borders of our Country and territories. IMHO if hes this wrong on such a fundamental Constitutional concept as Jurisdiction then he is the wrong person for this position.

1 posted on 05/11/2016 1:01:48 PM PDT by Mechanicos
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Oy. Giuliani flunked this test.


38 posted on 05/11/2016 1:23:26 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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It’s already in the federal statutes, I thought this guy was a genius lawyer


42 posted on 05/11/2016 1:25:17 PM PDT by Donglalinger
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I would think that a religion could be defined or classified as being at war with the USA and that removes it’s first amendment privilege.


43 posted on 05/11/2016 1:25:41 PM PDT by DungeonMaster (the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour.)
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What Giuliani fails to recognize is that Islam is ALSO a political system. Just as we can ban communists, we can ban Muslims - because it is NOT “just religion”!

But if he prefers a ban on everyone from the Middle East who doesn’t meet strict refugee criteria - and I mean STRICT - then that is OK by me.


45 posted on 05/11/2016 1:28:37 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (We're a nation of infants, ruled by their emotion)
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No problem. Just ban all immigration from the Middle East and all people whose ancestors were Middle Eastern. That way the law doesn’t discriminate on the basis of religion etc.

Congress can pass whatever immigration laws it wants to keep out foreigners.


47 posted on 05/11/2016 1:30:04 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Le//t Freedom Ring.)
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He added: "We don’t have a right to ban all Muslims…How do you stop a businessman who’s been coming back and forth to conduct his business every month take flying lessons so he can crash an airliner into a building. You cannot establish a ban on all Muslims, And also if you did that, you would really take that population and start radicalizing a lot more of them if you did it. To me, it’s not a sensible proposal.”

There, fixed it.

48 posted on 05/11/2016 1:30:20 PM PDT by Sans-Culotte ('''Political correctness is communist propaganda writ small''~ Theodore Dalrymple)
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Amendment I. Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Strangely, the first amendment doesn’t cover foreign people’s or even address immigration....

Rudy must be looking at his pocket edition of the alternative universe constitution....


49 posted on 05/11/2016 1:30:29 PM PDT by Popman (Christ alone: My Cornerstone...)
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Given his rationale, it sounds more like he doesn’t WANT to ban muslims, rather than CAN’T ban muslims.


50 posted on 05/11/2016 1:31:14 PM PDT by papertyger (-/\/\/\-)
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Giuliani is full of shi!. There is president to this type of action and does not violate any clause in the Constitution.
52 posted on 05/11/2016 1:31:42 PM PDT by Logical me
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1st Amendment has nothing to do with our policy of admitting aliens.

Jeesh!


53 posted on 05/11/2016 1:31:58 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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Rooty!

You disappoint.


54 posted on 05/11/2016 1:32:05 PM PDT by MichaelCorleone (Jesus Christ is not a religion. He's the Truth.)
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Trump specifically said that we have no verifiable documentation on these Muslim refugees that he wants to temporarily halt. I don’t believe that he meant businessman that have been coming and going here for years.


55 posted on 05/11/2016 1:32:12 PM PDT by Rusty0604
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Islam is no more a religion than Nazism is. Both were started by evil monsters, both ruthlessly killed their opponents and both sought world domination through violence.


56 posted on 05/11/2016 1:32:33 PM PDT by AlaskaErik (I served and protected my country for 31 years. Progressives spent that time trying to destroy it.)
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I disagree.

The First Amendment covers what you can say or what religion you can practice once you are IN the country.
Not whether you can ENTER the country.


58 posted on 05/11/2016 1:33:05 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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If Trump picked Rudy for DHS, he’s NOT what we want!

Rudy has always been a squish on immigration.


60 posted on 05/11/2016 1:34:14 PM PDT by AuntB (Trump is our Ben Franklin - Brilliant, Boisterous, Brave and ALL AMERICAN!)
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I completely disagree with Giuliani. The First Amendment is about free speech, not the imposition of radical religions.


62 posted on 05/11/2016 1:39:08 PM PDT by Crucial
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They need to stop trying to turn the question on it's head.

Yes, it is a violation of Constitutional concepts to bar someone from the country on the basis of their religion.

No, it is NOT a violation of Constitutional concepts to bar someone from entering the country when they come from a country that is known to have terrorist activity.

Government has always had the ability to prohibit entry on the basis of nationality, they just keep bringing up religion to provide an excuse for not doing so.

64 posted on 05/11/2016 1:40:40 PM PDT by MamaTexan (I am a person as created by the Law of Nature, not a person as created by the laws of Man.)
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Mr. G just gulped down that ice cold slurpy, forgot his lines, and his principles, Nation, and proceeded to spout untruths about his knowledge of anything important. Mr. G you might need a crash course on Constitutional catch up. your current answers to important questions is not what WTP wish to hear. When asked by others who is your Homeland Security Chief, it would be embarrassing to point in your direction and state ‘he is’. With answers like that you will go far...to the basement.


67 posted on 05/11/2016 1:42:04 PM PDT by V K Lee (uTRUMP TRUMP TRUMP to TRIUMPH Follow the lead MAKE AMERICA GREAT)
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The American people have every right to ban foreigners from entering the US for whatever reason they decide. And that includes for reasons of race, religion, national origin, political beliefs, criminal history, age, sex, or morals or even health status. The nation did so routinely in the past and there is nothing in the US Constitution that stops America from doing so now.


68 posted on 05/11/2016 1:42:22 PM PDT by StormEye
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...”Stephen Legomsky, former general counsel for U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services, agreed that the Supreme Court’s decision in upholding the Chinese Exclusion Act would allow for a Trump-style mass exclusion of Muslim visitors to the United States. He noted that Congress would have to pass legislation to carry it out.”

Source: Huff Post

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-immigration-law-muslim-visitor-ban_us_5666ec0ce4b072e9d1c77979


70 posted on 05/11/2016 1:44:12 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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