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Raytheon Can Turn Old American-Made M60A3 Tanks Into Killing Machines
The National Interest ^ | MAY 10, 2016 | Dave Majumdar

Posted on 05/11/2016 4:43:53 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki

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To: buffaloguy
zero in active inventory. KS AR NG unit was last to have them in 1996. Sunk off FL as an artifical reef or sold to Turkey and Israel (another dozen or so to South America and Phillipines).

I forgot.....the most hated thing on the M60 was the damn M53 remote .50cal. that thing SUCKED!

It sucked so bad that someone should have gone to jail for it. In the USSR, the developer and tester would have been in the gulag or shot! Yes. It was that bad.

21 posted on 05/11/2016 6:00:24 AM PDT by DCBryan1 (No realli, moose bytes can be quite nasti!)
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To: Lee'sGhost
none of them fired Missiles of any type.

Wrong. I know thats a pic sheridan, but its the best pic of the missile I could find that would post and not give the red x pic.

Secondly, the M60a2 DID fire missiles. Trust me.

22 posted on 05/11/2016 6:05:32 AM PDT by DCBryan1 (No realli, moose bytes can be quite nasti!)
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To: wrench

“RPTs are the future, manned tanks are the past.”

Imagine the infantryman’s reaction when he realizes his supporting armor has been hacked by the enemy.


23 posted on 05/11/2016 6:06:34 AM PDT by Justa
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To: Lee'sGhost
BS! I was a tanker. M6o ride was NOT bone crushing.

You may have been a tanker but you sure did not learn to read. I was comparing the M60 to the M1 Abrams. Perhaps you were the "tanker" in our unit that never got dirty and came up on sick call every time we went to the field. Your claim is the BS here.

24 posted on 05/11/2016 6:20:19 AM PDT by Lion Den Dan
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To: Lee'sGhost

Looks like a Sheridan to me.


25 posted on 05/11/2016 6:32:07 AM PDT by wally_bert (I didn't get where I am today by selling ice cream tasting of bookends, pumice stone & West Germany)
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To: Lion Den Dan

I was in M48A5s & M60A1s in the 1970’s. Not bone crushing if you didn’t drive stupid. The driver, gunner, & TC could always see what was coming & the loader rode chest high in the loader’s hatch so if column speed was around 22 mph, not so bad. Not a bad memory of those vehicles but I never got to ride in an Abrams which I hear has a radically different suspension.

Good to hear about the M60A3 upgrade. Broke my heart in the 1980’s when they started dumping M60’s in the ocean to make reefs (deconned first). What a waste if they need those hulls/turrets now.


26 posted on 05/11/2016 6:37:19 AM PDT by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam. Buy ammo.")
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To: sukhoi-30mki

How much fuel does it use?

From a stationary position the A3 could outshoot the XM1, but on the fly, the XM1 was way better.

Yes, I am that old to remember when it was the XM1. It even had a built in coffee maker. The congress said that was frivolous.

The M60A2 did fire the missile.

The suspension on the 60 series was nowhere near as good as the suspension on the 1 series.

We threw track a lot with the old 60s.


27 posted on 05/11/2016 6:44:11 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: wrench
The upgrade should also concentrate on making them networked, and unmanned.

No man means no need for heavy armor. The entire idea of an armored tank is obsolete.

28 posted on 05/11/2016 6:48:08 AM PDT by Reeses (A journey of a thousand miles begins with a government pat down.)
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To: Lion Den Dan

Then it’s not my knowledge that’s the problem, it’s your inability to write clearly.


29 posted on 05/11/2016 6:49:16 AM PDT by Lee'sGhost ("Just look at the flowers, Lizzie. Just look at the flowers.")
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To: Lion Den Dan

I got to ride on and occasionally in M60A3’s (1/72d AR), though much more often in M113A2’s, and recently in M1A1 and M1A2SEP Abrams (and Bradley, Stryker, and pretty much everything else in development). The M60 is a FAR cry from the Abrams, but not so much different from the M113 from my recollection. In either case, if you are in rough terrain and drive very fast you will get bounced around A LOT. Overall though, I wouldn’t call it bone jarring, and no worse than other tracks from that era. I don’t see how you can do the engine/main gun upgrade with option for SLAT armor without suspension upgrade; you are adding a lot of weight that would exceed original design limits I’m sure.


30 posted on 05/11/2016 6:50:27 AM PDT by LambSlave
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To: DCBryan1

OK. The M2 did fire missiles. I stand corrected. Was after my time. Still don’t know why you couldn’t find a pix of it though, they’re all over the net.


31 posted on 05/11/2016 6:53:02 AM PDT by Lee'sGhost ("Just look at the flowers, Lizzie. Just look at the flowers.")
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To: wally_bert

That’s because it is. ;-)


32 posted on 05/11/2016 6:53:59 AM PDT by Lee'sGhost ("Just look at the flowers, Lizzie. Just look at the flowers.")
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To: DCBryan1

looks like those troopers are at Graf..


33 posted on 05/11/2016 7:08:44 AM PDT by RitchieAprile
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To: Psalm 73

One of the local VFW posts has an M60 in the front yard.I have to wonder if the army still has any,if they’re giving them away like that.


34 posted on 05/11/2016 7:14:36 AM PDT by Farmer Dean (Never be more than two steps away from your weapon.)
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To: Lee'sGhost

Small phone screen and early morning of other people with stupid printer problems.

Always had a soft spot for the Sheridan.

Wasn’t there an engineer version of the M60 with a short barrel ma in gun? My memory is a bit vague there.


35 posted on 05/11/2016 7:21:51 AM PDT by wally_bert (I didn't get where I am today by selling ice cream tasting of bookends, pumice stone & West Germany)
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To: Psalm 73

We’ve probably got some mothballed. If it made economic sense Obama could upgrade them and give to his “Civilian Fighting Force” to use against his fellow Americans.


36 posted on 05/11/2016 7:29:11 AM PDT by PLMerite (Compromise is Surrender: The Revolution...will not be kind.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
"Offensive firepower is exponentially improved by swapping out the old 105mm M68 rifled gun in favor of the Abrams’ German-made L44 120mm smoothbore cannon."

Screw the cannon. Slap on a railgun:


37 posted on 05/11/2016 7:39:52 AM PDT by PLMerite (Compromise is Surrender: The Revolution...will not be kind.)
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To: elcid1970
Good to hear about the M60A3 upgrade. Broke my heart in the 1980’s when they started dumping M60’s in the ocean to make reefs (deconned first). What a waste if they need those hulls/turrets now.

Never understood why we don't have an Army version of the Davis Monathan AFB Boneyard. If the price of steel, or a national emergency pops up, we'd be glad to have it. Bottom of the ocean? Pfffttt....just as dumb as gun buybacks and destroying guns instead of giving them to the poor for self defense.

I mean Russia still has over 10,000 T34/85s T55s, T64bs etc. sitting in warehouses and boneyards "just in case". A Russian once told me when I asked about all the rusting hulks, and he said, "we throw nothing away. We either sell it, rebuild it, or reuse it. After WWII there was a severe shortage of steel. We will never be in that position again".

38 posted on 05/11/2016 7:50:19 AM PDT by DCBryan1 (No realli, moose bytes can be quite nasti!)
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To: wally_bert
Lets see if my links post pics from work rather than my ipad:

Wasn’t there an engineer version of the M60 with a short barrel ma in gun? My memory is a bit vague there."

Yes there was.

It was called a M728 combat engineer vehicle Got to see it shoot its main charge at a bunker...>HUGE explosion. We should have resurrected that gun and round to deal with caves in Afghanistan (but the range was limited). BG Weasel Clark at Ft Hood let the FBI and ATF use one at WACO.


39 posted on 05/11/2016 8:02:16 AM PDT by DCBryan1 (No realli, moose bytes can be quite nasti!)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Too bad that in a real war situation - like the upcoming one with Iran - that we won’t be able to get spare parts from China... for anything...


40 posted on 05/11/2016 8:18:15 AM PDT by GOPJ ("What the hell is "conservative" about uncontrolled immigration and corporate trade pacts?")
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