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To: Swordmaker

Thank you Tim Cook!

We must consider the possibility of these attacks becoming more frequent in the future, as Bill Gates mentioned in his statement on this.

It is trivial to make encryption virtually uncrackable. So the time is coming that in order to find where the LA nuke is, a dead terrorists phone will need to be examined.

So somewhere along the way it will be illegal for encryption to be sold where the vendor doesn’t have the key which is also a trivial matter.

During much of the 90’s uncrackable encryption was considered a weapon of mass destruction. It can happen again. A couple of weeks ago legislation was introduced in France to do this. This is another example of this.

The FBI has already kept SilentCircle, Lavabit and others from selling secure email services EVEN WITHOUT LEGAL STANDING.

By going high profile Apple WAS BEGGING for this legislation to be introduced.

I think Tim Cook looked polls which show the US federal government to be the least popular government since Louis the 16th. He thought he’d come out looking like a rose if he took them on. Unfortunately this was hit for both the FBI and Apple.

Every US company including Apple must reasonably co-operate with a legal search warrant. Apple went public with the fact that they considered what the FBI was asking was UNREASONABLE. They should have worked behind the scenes to cooperate.

Think if someone was marketing uncrackable physical storage. A dead terrorist who had brought down 14 commercial jets with surface to air missiles was found to own such a storage. Do you think the owner of this storage facility would refuse to cooperate and go public and make a stink about it? This is exactly what an encrypted phone is and what Apple did in this case.


9 posted on 04/20/2016 11:38:16 AM PDT by ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton (Go Egypt on 0bama)
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To: ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton
I think Tim Cook looked polls which show the US federal government to be the least popular government since Louis the 16th. He thought he’d come out looking like a rose if he took them on. Unfortunately this was hit for both the FBI and Apple.

Every US company including Apple must reasonably co-operate with a legal search warrant. Apple went public with the fact that they considered what the FBI was asking was UNREASONABLE. They should have worked behind the scenes to cooperate.

What you demand is unreasonable and impossible. Encryption is an either one of the other proposition. Either it is secure, or it is not. If you provide a backdoor, it is not secure. . . There is no way to do both. It is impossible to do what the government wants. PERIOD. It was the government that asked Apple and others to make their devices secure. They complied and now it is the government who is demanding they be made insecure. Hypocrites. They cannot have their cake and eat it too.

11 posted on 04/20/2016 1:50:48 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue..)
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To: ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton

Yes, and it’s practical and profitable for the companies to do so.

However it’s not as cheap and profitable as not providing access for warranted searches.


13 posted on 04/20/2016 4:45:39 PM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat/RINO Party!)
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To: ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton
> Think if someone was marketing uncrackable physical storage. A dead terrorist who had brought down 14 commercial jets with surface to air missiles was found to own such a storage. Do you think the owner of this storage facility would refuse to cooperate and go public and make a stink about it? This is exactly what an encrypted phone is and what Apple did in this case.

Except for one little detail you're conveniently glossing over. It's been stated a million times already, but obviously you haven't heard it yet. Let me shout it for you. Sheesh...

This case was NEVER about the data on the phone. It was strictly, and obviously, a lever to try to force Apple to destroy their own encryption, because the FBI doesn't like encryption.

Period. Sorry for shouting, but your analogy simply does not apply here.

16 posted on 04/20/2016 7:55:12 PM PDT by dayglored ("Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.")
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To: ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton
The FBI has already kept SilentCircle, Lavabit and others from selling secure email services EVEN WITHOUT LEGAL STANDING.

The result: That market niche went overseas (e.g. ProtonMail), thereby exporting money and jobs and preventing the Feds from getting any information (even without access to message content, they could have gotten the who's-talking-to-who metadata easily if the servers were in the US, now they're out of luck).

17 posted on 04/23/2016 11:51:37 AM PDT by Cyberman
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To: ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton
Think if someone was marketing uncrackable physical storage.

You mean like a safe that incinerates its content if somebody tries to crack it? I don't have to imagine it; if I needed it I'd just go out and buy it.

18 posted on 04/23/2016 11:52:47 AM PDT by Cyberman
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