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Despite Complaints, Delegate System Has Given Trump a 22 Percent Bonus
NBC ^ | April 11, 2016 | ARI MELBER

Posted on 04/11/2016 11:00:55 AM PDT by Steelfish

Despite Complaints, Delegate System Has Given Trump a 22 Percent Bonus NBC. April 11, 2016 BY ARI MELBER

Donald Trump blasted the GOP's delegate rules Sunday, saying a "corrupt" system is denying him delegates in states he won. According to a new NBC analysis, however, Trump has benefited far more than Ted Cruz under the party's arcane rules for allocating delegates.

Trump now leads the Republican field with 756 delegates — or 45 percent of all delegates awarded to date. Yet he has won about 37 percent of all votes in the primaries, according to the NBC analysis, meaning Trump's delegate support is greater than his actual support from voters.

For each percentage point of total primary votes that Trump has won, he has been awarded 1.22 percent of the total delegates.

In other words, as a matter of Republican Party math, Trump has been awarded a delegate bonus of 22 percent above his raw support from voters. By contrast, Cruz has been awarded about 1.14 percent of the delegates for each percentage point of votes he has won — a delegate bonus of 14 percent above his raw support.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2016gopprimary; delegatemath; fishrot; trumpdelegates
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To: FreeReign
Let me try that again:

So what percentage of delegates to votes does Cruz have? I venture to say the same holds true for him, and his is even higher. But of course you are not interested in what those figures are, and neither are the press. Because right now they are not after Cruz.

41 posted on 04/11/2016 6:39:12 PM PDT by Robert DeLong (u)
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To: FreeReign
Cruz has 41.41% of the delegates and only 28.33% of the popular vote.

Compare to Trump's:

45% of the delegates and 37% of the votes.

Trump has won 21 states to 11 for Cruz.

So while Trump has 8.7% more of the popular vote, Cruz is only behind by 3.58%.

In 2at least of those states that Cruz has won, there is considerable questions as to the ethics employed to win.

42 posted on 04/11/2016 6:52:39 PM PDT by Robert DeLong (u)
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To: Robert DeLong
Cruz has 41.41% of the delegates and only 28.33% of the popular vote.

34% not 41%.

43 posted on 04/11/2016 7:18:46 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: FreeReign
Okay I'll alter it to your numbers.

Cruz -34% of the delegates and 28% of the votes.

Trump - 45% of the delegates and 37% of the votes.

So while Trump has 9% more of the popular vote, Cruz is only behind by 11% in delegates.

Trump has won 21 states to 11 for Cruz.

In at least 2 of those states that Cruz has won, there is considerable questions as to the ethics employed to win.

Bottom line is there is not much difference between the popular vote percentage and the delegate percentage. Trump has 8% points more in delegates than popular vote percentage, while Cruz has a 6% points more in delegates than popular vote percentage. But the key is 10 more states won by Trump than Cruz has won. With some of those wins resulting in more delegates for Cruz than Trump.

44 posted on 04/11/2016 8:00:58 PM PDT by Robert DeLong (u)
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To: Robert DeLong
Cruz -34% of the delegates and 28% of the votes. Trump - 45% of the delegates and 37% of the votes.

So the the GOPe is getting screwed. Cool.

In at least 2 of those states that Cruz has won, there is considerable questions as to the ethics employed to win.

That's your opinion, not mine.

45 posted on 04/11/2016 8:05:48 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: FreeReign

That is a lot of peoples opinion, not just mine.


46 posted on 04/11/2016 8:08:58 PM PDT by Robert DeLong (u)
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To: FreeReign
So the GOPe is getting screwed. Cool.

Yeah Neil Bush is getting screwed while earning a nice income, and all of the GOPe supporter's of Ted must have deserted the GOPe. McConnell's lawyer has certainly paid dividends as well, which I'm sure he was handsomely compensated. Not to mention all of those GOPe Super PACS now spending on Ted's campaign.

You people are going to be so shocked when you learn what you have really been supporting.

47 posted on 04/11/2016 8:15:10 PM PDT by Robert DeLong (u)
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To: Robert DeLong
That is a lot of peoples opinion, not just mine.

And a lot of people's opinions say the opposite.

And I don't care what opinion's people have, I only care about facts.

48 posted on 04/11/2016 8:44:24 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: FreeReign

You mean facts like Trump has won more states, more delegates, and more popular votes? Yes those are important to be sure.


49 posted on 04/11/2016 8:50:05 PM PDT by Robert DeLong (u)
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To: Robert DeLong
Cool, we're listing candidates and their establishment connections.

Cory Lewandowski worked for the RNC and then for the Koch Bros.

Paul Manafort has worked for both Bushes and others in the Republican establishment.

One of Trump's new Foreign Policy advisors is CFR.

Trump's Chicago Tower was financed to the tune of 168 million by George Soros.

Trump gave lots of money to Democrat's including Hillary's corrupt Clinton Fund.

50 posted on 04/11/2016 8:50:59 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: Robert DeLong
You mean facts like Trump has won more states, more delegates, and more popular votes? Yes those are important to be sure.

I don't deny that. But the fact that is most important is that the winner of the Republican primary needs to have 1237 delegates.

51 posted on 04/11/2016 8:52:11 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: FreeReign

Does that mean your man will drop out when he no longer can reach that magic number? Oh no, because he plans to win it in a contested convention since that is his only real hope of winning it, and has been for quite some time..


52 posted on 04/11/2016 9:03:44 PM PDT by Robert DeLong (u)
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To: Robert DeLong
...the winner of the Republican primary needs to have 1237 delegates.

Does that mean your man will drop out when he no longer can reach that magic number? Oh no, because he plans to win it in a contested convention since that is his only real hope of winning it, and has been for quite some time.

I'll repeat the long standing rule.

The winner of the nomination needs to have a majority of the delegates, in this case 1237 delegates.

53 posted on 04/11/2016 9:12:00 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: FreeReign
Yes he did mention Richard Haass for NSA Director in a debate, but he has not hired any as advisers. But the the CFR has declared war on Trump. So I doubt he still thinks the same with regards to Richard Haass.

Lewandowski briefly worked for the Republican National Committee in 2001, serving as Northeast legislative political director.

Paul Manafort has worked as an advisor for the Presidential campaigns of Ford, Reagan, Bush (daddy), Dole, & Bush (son).

Yes, Soros did invest 160 million in Trump Towers, and sadly enough he even spent time with him. What his true motivations were are unknown but most likely business was the motivation.

Big business moguls, Koch brothers included, donate monies to both sides of the political spectrum. It's what they do to keep all options in play. Since 2009 Trump has donated very little money to Democrats.

54 posted on 04/11/2016 9:36:52 PM PDT by Robert DeLong (u)
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To: FreeReign
And my question was, when Cruz can no longer hit that 1,237 mark does that mean he will drop out of the race. Of course you are sidestepping my question because you know this has been his stated goal for over a month. Oh sure he would like to have 1,237 going in, but his chances of securing that are so very slim.

No he has been pinning all of his hopes for more than a month on keeping Donald from 1,237 and entering into the convention with hopes of maneuvering a 2nd or 3rd vote win. Which is why he is now cozying up to the GOPe.

55 posted on 04/11/2016 9:42:23 PM PDT by Robert DeLong (u)
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To: Robert DeLong
And my question was, when Cruz can no longer hit that 1,237 mark does that mean he will drop out of the race. Of course you are sidestepping my question because you know this has been his stated goal for over a month.

Nonsense. I'm not sidestepping the question. I have stated numerous times on this forum over the last few weeks that Cruz is trying for a second or third round win at the convention.

It's you who is "sidestepping" the long standing rule that you need a majority of the delegates, in this case 1,237 delegates, to win.

Which is why he is now cozying up to the GOPe.

Both candidates will enlist anybody who will get in line, support their candidacy, and support their issues, to help them win.

56 posted on 04/12/2016 7:56:07 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: Robert DeLong
Big business moguls, Koch brothers included, donate monies to both sides of the political spectrum. It's what they do to keep all options in play. Since 2009 Trump has donated very little money to Democrats.

I could give you a list of conservative business people who don't donate to people who are destroying our country.

57 posted on 04/12/2016 7:58:51 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: FreeReign

Well don’t say it, do it.


58 posted on 04/12/2016 8:33:02 AM PDT by Robert DeLong (u)
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To: FreeReign

I never said he had should get it with less than 1,237. So I am sidestepping nothing. The reality is though once Cruz takes it away from who the majority want as the Republican nominee, he will lose in the general election. His support is slim. So when he no longer has a numerical chance he should drop out of the race.


59 posted on 04/12/2016 8:37:45 AM PDT by Robert DeLong (u)
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To: Robert DeLong

Cheer up Cruz has no chance to win. That is why he is engaging in all manner of desperate hail Mary antics. That’s what losers do. After April 26th he will be on a downhill slide and out of the race not long after that.


60 posted on 04/12/2016 8:43:01 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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