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To: DeathBeforeDishonor1
The 256-page document — known as an apostolic exhortation and titled “Amoris Laetitia,” Latin for “The Joy of Love” — calls for priests to welcome single parents, gay people and unmarried straight couples who are living together.

I suspect the ambiguity was intentional.

Is that: welcome single parents, welcome gay people, and welcome unmarried straight couples who are living together?

Or is it: welcome single parents, and welcome gay people and unmarried straight couples who are living together?

The first is entirely appropriate; it is what Jesus would do. Single parenting has been happening for many thousands of years, and the Church should not reject those single parents or their children. They are more in need of help, moral guidance, and community than are those who are married. Similarly, we all face various temptations. How can we expect celibate gay Christians to resist their temptations if we do not allow them to participate in a community that accepts them while supporting and building their desire to follow God's word? Even straight couples who are living together need to hear both "neither do I judge you" and "go forth and sin no more".

4 posted on 04/08/2016 4:42:22 AM PDT by Pollster1 (Somebody who agrees with me 80% of the time is a friend and ally, not a 20% traitor. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Pollster1; RitaOK
You know, and I know, and BERGOGLIO KNOWS, that the media, the world and the usual gang of internal termites in the Church will spin this process (the utterly unnecessary synod of bishops which did NOT call for this) and this "Joy of Love" document as a declaration of liberation for every illicit lust encouraged by Lucifer to the damnation of the souls of fallen men and women.

If he sees the Church as a hospital for souls, we may notice that he is administering poison rather than medicine to the patients.

Do people mired in such "lifestyles" have a great need for "help, moral guidance,and community (whatever that may mean in this context) and for God's Word? Of course, as do we all. As it has been observed, all men (and women) fall short of the glory of God. No one (and therefore no one in a state of sin) NEEDS to hear: "neither do I judge you." It is one thing when Jesus Christ offers that to one woman who came near to being executed for adultery. He knew her heart, her repentance and her contrition as His priests (with a scant few dead exceptions such as Padre Pio and St. Joh Vianney) do not.

It is bad enough that Bergoglio, questioned about sexually perverted priests, delivered the line: Who am I to judge? He is, of course, the Successor of Peter to whom Jesus gave the power of the Keys, to bind on earth and to bind in heaven. THAT is who he is to judge and, if he won't, he should retire in silence immediately! Now, compounding that infamous statement, Bergoglio is encouraging priests to do the same "Who am I to judge?" dance with penitents arguably seeking reconciliation with God but only on their own sinful terms.

May we have another conclave and a new and actually Catholic pope ASAP. Bergoglio does not have to die to bring this about. He can retire to a Unitarian rest home where I am confident he will be quite comfortable with his new non-judgmental friends.

16 posted on 04/08/2016 5:30:48 AM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society: Rack 'em Danno!)
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To: Pollster1
A Church should provide a higher ideal, goals which we aspire to. It should not demand perfection, but should insist on acceptance of its tenets. Too much change too soon causes folks to question their faith. It enables those who don't accept those values to not strive to do better.

Our world is very confusing and falling apart at the seams. Our religion needs to tell us that we strive for a greater good. Folks need a core of values to believe in.

In a time when it won't be possible to feel safe in public bathrooms anymore because its anything goes for choosing ones sexual identity, we don't need to embrace those who are open about being gay and/or perverted. At a time when ISIS is winning people over by pretending to have strong unwavering beliefs, we don't need a "do your own thing" Church. We need a Church that's a warrior for Christian values.

JMHO

19 posted on 04/08/2016 5:42:35 AM PDT by grania
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To: Pollster1

Christ would welcome sinners in the sense that He would talk with them, tell them their sins, and ask them to repent. He did NOT select unrepentant homosexuals, fornicators, and adulterers as apostles, and there is zero evidence in scripture that it’s OK to allow UNREPENTANT sinners to be members of the church. In fact, there is only one Church, and it allows no unrepentant sinners at all—as in ZERO.


25 posted on 04/08/2016 5:50:58 AM PDT by CitizenUSA (Proverbs 14:34 Righteousness exalts a nation, but sin is a disgrace to any people.)
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To: Pollster1

Our local Catholic newspaper just ran a story with a bunch of very discouraging statistics.

The Church locally has imploded in the last 15 years. Parish membership, Mass attendance, financial contributions, baptisms, confirmations, numbers of Priests.....all down by massive double-digit numbers.

Frankly I know a lot of this is due to Catholics who have gotten divorced (many times due to no fault of their own) and then felt unwelcome, or just did not want to put themselves through the hassle of an annulment. The bulk of them seem to join non-denominational churches.

I would like to think that compassion is driving this, but frankly it’s economics.


29 posted on 04/08/2016 6:16:00 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Pollster1
Single parenting has been happening for many thousands of years, and the Church should not reject those single parents or their children

Most shocking statistic from that news story: 55% of CATHOLIC children in our Diocese are being raised in single-parent households.


31 posted on 04/08/2016 6:19:11 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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