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Brokered GOP Conventions Often Produce A Winning President
The Federalist ^ | MARCH 10, 2016 | Trey Mayfield

Posted on 03/25/2016 2:31:25 AM PDT by nathanbedford

But where there are three or more candidates with significant support among the delegates, and none with a majority, the question of who has the most delegates is subordinated to the question of who will best represent the party in November. Indeed, since its first convention in 1856, the Republican Party has had ten presidential elections in which no candidate coming into the convention had a majority of delegates. In seven of those conventions, the GOP did not nominate the person who came in with the most delegates.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism
KEYWORDS: brokeredconvention; cruz; gope; nathanbedford; trump
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To: Gaffer
in an age when information flow, voter contact with candidates, and news dissemination is so vastly improved

That's key. Nowadays the citizen can know -- can scarcely avoid knowing -- what's going on in any state, just as fast as he can know what's going on in his own. And in any city. He can hear every word the candidate expresses anywhere in public, virtually instantly. The will of the people is not news he hears weeks after the event. The thwarting of the will of the people can be known while it's in progress.

41 posted on 03/25/2016 5:14:40 AM PDT by Buttons12
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To: nathanbedford

SEN. TED CRUZ (R-TX), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE:

“There are many in Washington establishment who are right now having fevered dreams about a brokered convention, about a deadlocked convention where they parachute in an establishment candidate who suddenly saves all the fears of the lobbyists. “

“I think that would be an absolute disaster. I think the people would quite rightly revolt. The way to beat Donald Trump is at the ballot box. That’s what we’ve been doing, beating him all over the country and the way to beat him is get to 1,237 delegates.”


42 posted on 03/25/2016 5:18:14 AM PDT by Mount Athos (A Giant luxury mega-mansion for Gore, a Government Green EcoShack made of poo for you)
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To: Mount Athos

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1603/16/nday.06.html


43 posted on 03/25/2016 5:18:50 AM PDT by Mount Athos (A Giant luxury mega-mansion for Gore, a Government Green EcoShack made of poo for you)
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To: nathanbedford

If they nominate someone who didn’t run, I’m staying home. Likewise, I’m staying home if they nominate someone who appears to be more Democrat than Republican (Kasich). I don’t think I’m alone in this.

My own take is that the GOPe is itching to nominate Ryan. So far, Mr. Ryan has not impressed me in the least.


44 posted on 03/25/2016 5:27:12 AM PDT by rbg81 (Truth is stranger than fiction)
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To: nathanbedford

In the case of Dole, McCain and Romney, the MSM wanted them to win the nomination. I believe this was in large part because they knew they would lose the General Election. McCain, in particular, seemed programmed to self destruct.

The fact that the MSM absolutely hates Trump means he is doing something right.


45 posted on 03/25/2016 5:30:23 AM PDT by rbg81 (Truth is stranger than fiction)
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To: nathanbedford
"Donald Trump disdains the Constitution just as he disdains the party he is so successfully co-opting, and its rules."

I favor Trump and I have an open mind. Can you back this up, please?

46 posted on 03/25/2016 5:34:28 AM PDT by MV=PY (The Magic Question: Who's paying for it?)
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To: onyx

These kinds of articles are trying to say that the establishment party insiders know better about selecting a candidate than the great unwashed know about electing a nominee.

They have not so subtly said that elections are a necessary evil. Many of them would be happy to see elections disbanned and the party elites appoint.

That is exactly what a brokered/open convention could do — nullify months of primary voting.


47 posted on 03/25/2016 6:24:22 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: nathanbedford

meh

If this one produces the likely Yeb or Paul Ryan nominee it wont


48 posted on 03/25/2016 6:27:02 AM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: nathanbedford

And what winning candidate is that?


49 posted on 03/25/2016 6:27:53 AM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: nathanbedford

Won’t


50 posted on 03/25/2016 6:28:24 AM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: nathanbedford

With a fantasy of defeat

Talk about a lost cause


51 posted on 03/25/2016 6:29:19 AM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: nathanbedford

Disagree.

A brokered convention is NOT going to select Cruz.

The party elites would select a ‘moderate’ standard-bearer, likely someone closer to ‘it is his turn’.

So what if he loses. The GOP insiders are more interested in maintaining their status quo and many think a President Hillary would do that more than a right-of-center nominee.

Count the number of ‘establishment’ type Republicans who have already indicated they would vote for Hillary, if Trump is the nominee.


52 posted on 03/25/2016 6:30:24 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: nathanbedford

Trump seems to be the only one willing to live within the rules the party has established. Whether it is the loyalty pledge or the Rule #40/majority of delegates in 8 states, etc., Trump has not been advocating rule changes. Whereas the insiders have.

Consider how many insiders have said they would vote for Hillary over Trump, yet they were the very ones who made a HUGE issue of the loyalty pledge.


53 posted on 03/25/2016 6:42:42 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: TomGuy
Trump seems to be the only one willing to live within the rules the party has established.

Actually Trump has expressed a desire that the nomination goes to the plurality candidate.

It is hardly surprising that Trump is not advocated abolishing the eight states rule.

As far as I know, Trump is the only candidate who has flirted with the idea of bolting the party if he loses the nomination.


54 posted on 03/25/2016 9:45:48 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: TomGuy
Actually, Trump will probably not need very many additional delegate votes to put himself into the majority position and I expect a man of his rank ambition and deviousness to buy all the votes he needs just as he bought all the politicians he needed.

An interesting question arises if Trump cannot get a majority of the delegates yet he is the only one to qualify under the eight state rule. There could be a huge fight over whether that rule is changed or whether the nomination has to go to Trump as the only qualified candidate even though he has only a plurality.


55 posted on 03/25/2016 9:49:03 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: rbg81
The fact that the MSM absolutely hates Trump means he is doing something right.

I wish you would apply the same logic to Ted Cruz.

I believe they hate Cruz, (after all what other reaction could Mitch McConnell have?) But they figure they can cut deals with Trump if he doesn't lose the election for them, after all, they have cut deals with him in the past.


56 posted on 03/25/2016 9:53:20 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: nathanbedford

I would gladly support either Trump or Cruz. However, it did not impress me that Cruz blamed Trump for the Chicago protests.

If Cruz gets the nomination, the long knives would come out for him too. I already see a lot of liberal talking heads saying that Cruz is worse than Trump. Whoever gets the GOP nomination will be running the gauntlet.


57 posted on 03/25/2016 10:13:08 AM PDT by rbg81 (Truth is stranger than fiction)
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To: rbg81

I am concerned that Trump with his big mouth left himself open to all manner of charges of inciting violence:

1.Trump, who encourages his supporters to surround and shout down protesters with chants of “USA,” has openly pined for “the old days,” when, he says, noisy demonstrators would be carried out of a political rally on stretchers.

2.“I’d like to punch him in the face,” he told a Las Vegas casino rally crowd last month when one protester was ejected.

3.As protesters have been led away by police or security, Trump has said he wishes he could punch them in the face, or that in the old days protesters went out on a stretcher, or that someone should “knock the crap out of them” and that he would pay legal fees for someone who did.
http://www.npr.org/2016/03/14/470375065/a-campaign-on-the-brink-donald-trump-and-the-intersection-of-outrage-and-violenc and

4. “The audience hit back and that’s what we need a little bit more of.”

5.”Part of the problem ... is nobody wants to hurt each other anymore.”

6. the candidate bemoaned the fact that there were no longer “consequences” to protesting and insisted the “country has to toughen up.”

7.“You know, part of the problem and part of the reason it takes so long is nobody wants to hurt each other anymore, right?”

8.”In the good old days this doesn’t happen because they used to treat them very, very rough.”

9.“They used to treat them very, very rough, and when they protested once, they would not do it again so easily,” he said, before lamenting “we’ve become weak.”

10.”Try not to hurt him. If you do, I’ll defend you in court, don’t worry about it.”

11.”If you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them, would you? Seriously.” He again promised to pay for any legal fees associated with an assault.

12.After a Black Lives Matter activist was kicked, punched and, he said, called the N-word at a campaign event in Birmingham, Alabama, in November, Trump expressed his approval.

“Maybe he should have been roughed up because it was absolutely disgusting what he was doing,”

13.”I don’t know if I’ll do the fighting myself or if other people will.”
http://mashable.com/2016/03/12/trump-rally-incite-violence/#tjGh.egBFiqY


58 posted on 03/25/2016 10:19:10 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: nathanbedford

Whatever. You and I both know that whoever the GOP nominee is will have to deal with these Brownshirt tactics from the Left.


59 posted on 03/25/2016 10:36:32 AM PDT by rbg81 (Truth is stranger than fiction)
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To: rbg81
Quite true and the left enjoys the not inconsiderable advantage of offering up thugs of color who will be treated deferentially by the media.

As I understand my history, the Brownshirts were deployed by Hitler not only to break up adversaries' meetings (read communist) but to defend his own meetings against interruptions.

A skilled forensic leader would exploit the opportunities created by the interruptions to enhance his stature rather than descend into the muck. He would seek to illustrate the baser side of his adversary, not just the thug on the floor of the venue whom he would connect to his adversary. He would seek to edify the immediate and the extended television audience by using the occasion to take the high road. He would use every strategy to paint himself the opposite of the thug on the floor and he would portray himself as an exponent of free speech in the process.

How has Donald Trump measured up?


60 posted on 03/26/2016 10:11:59 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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