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Australia to Ditch Its Tiger Gunships, Which Have Never Seen Combat
War is Boring ^ | February 28, 2016 | Robert Beckhusen

Posted on 02/28/2016 9:15:45 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki

Australia bought its Tiger ARH attack helicopters only eight years ago, and now it wants to scrap all 22 of them. Even more embarrassing, the Tiger has still not yet achieved “final operational capability” — meaning the helicopter never fully became ready for combat.

The decision to ditch the Tiger — to occur in the 2020s — landed with a thud with the release of Australia’s 2016 defense white paper, which laid out the country’s military strategy over the coming decades. The plan includes U.S. $21.5 billion in new spending, which would pay for new submarines, frigates, patrol vessels, aircraft and drones among many other big-ticket items.

But not the Tiger.

In 2004, Australia received its first Tiger, a nimble gunship produced by Eurocopter — now part of Airbus — to serve in light-attack and reconnaissance roles. The Tiger is roughly equivalent to the U.S.-made AH-64 Apache except lighter and with longer range. It can fire Hellfire missiles, 70-millimeter Hydra rockets and 30-millimeter cannon shells. On-board Stinger missiles serve as the anti-air weapon.

The Tiger “was modeled very much along the Apache model, but using later airframe technology, and with different role optimizations,” analyst Carlo Kopp of the Air Power Australia think tank wrote in 2009.

Above — an Australian Tiger ARH in February 2015. Bidgee/Wikimedia photo. At top — an Australian Tiger during Exercise Talisman Sabre 2011. U.S. Air Force photo

Yet Australia’s Tiger has never seen combat, despite $2 billion in costs to buy them and Canberra’s troops fighting heavily in Afghanistan for more than a decade. (Today, Australia has 400 troops there in an advisory role.) Keeping the Tiger at home was also an awkward decision, as German, French and Spanish Tiger variants deployed to Afghanistan at different times.

Not that Australia had much of a choice. There were delays with the helicopter’s software. Parts must be shipped to Europe for repair, a time-consuming and expensive process. Worst of all, the air conditioning units and power capacitors broke down and filled cockpits with toxic, black smoke.

During one incident, “the window was jammed shut after not being checked during pre-flight inspections so the crew was forced to take the risky step of blowing the canopy off to ventilate the cockpit,” the Australian reported in 2012.

Trust in the aircraft deteriorated so much, that pilots effectively mutinied in 2012 by refusing to fly. “Usually you have to fight to stop military pilots from flying,” a defense source told the newspaper.

Canberra wants to replace the Tiger with a lighter helicopter for commandos that can fit inside a C-17 transport plane — along the lines of the American MH-6 Little Bird. Plus more CH-47 Chinook transport birds for heavier lifting.

It makes sense. Delays and mechanical miseries aside, the deeper problem is that the Tiger was never really a good fit for Australia in the 21st century. The gunship was originally designed in the 1980s for a European battlefield — hence the similarities to the Apache, the multi-role abilities and the anti-tank weapons. Canberra would now rather prepare for more unconventional wars and to counter Chinese sea power.

Perhaps most importantly of all, Canberra wants to grow its military spending without blowing its budget. In a 2015 interview with the Australian Broadcasting Corporation, defense analyst Andrew Davies noted the Tiger came about as a way to reduce the number of helicopters in service, and thus save money.

“And in fact, nothing of the sort has happened,” Davies said. “We’ve spent billions of dollars, lost many years of capability because the helicopters weren’t as mature as we thought.”


TOPICS: Australia/New Zealand; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aerospace; australia; aviation; gunship; helicopter; tiger

1 posted on 02/28/2016 9:15:45 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

History repeats itself. The one-time defenders of liberty disarm while the totalitarian hordes build up their militaries again.


2 posted on 02/28/2016 9:18:04 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: sukhoi-30mki

“The Zap Gun” by Philip K Dick.

Summary from Wikipedia:

“This novel is set in a then-future 2004. There is still a (theoretical) Cold War between the United States and its allies and the Soviet Union and its allies. At the elite governmental level, however, both “sides” have secretly come to an agreement. They have decided that, instead of continuing the ecologically and economically crippling nuclear and conventional arms race, they will pretend to be constantly developing new weapons, which are then “plowshared.” This means that these items are transformed into novel but baroque consumer products.”

I look at our F-35 and our LCS and I think: “Are they even trying to make real weapons?”


3 posted on 02/28/2016 9:19:50 AM PST by ClearCase_guy
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To: sukhoi-30mki

eBay!


4 posted on 02/28/2016 9:19:54 AM PST by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: ClearCase_guy
Trust in the [Airbus Tiger ARH] aircraft deteriorated so much, that pilots effectively mutinied in 2012 by refusing to fly.

I look at our F-35 and our LCS and I think: “Are they even trying to make real weapons?”

Well - Obama did promise to make us more like Europe.


5 posted on 02/28/2016 9:25:51 AM PST by Iron Munro (Everyone has a plan till they get punched in the mouth -- Mike Tyson)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

It’s the same everywhere, I guess. Military budgetary decisions = big money crony-capitalism at its worst.
Australia is so isolated on the other side of the world from Europe & the USA that they should if possible use domestic air frame manufacturers or at least demand that Euro/US/Russia provide in-country support facilities.


6 posted on 02/28/2016 9:27:20 AM PST by citizen (There is no R Party or D Party-They are all in a Uni-Party...call it The DC Party-And America loses!)
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To: ClearCase_guy
I look at our F-35 and our LCS and I think: “Are they even trying to make real weapons?”

They are trying to make money, usable weapons are lower on their list than integrity and honesty.

7 posted on 02/28/2016 9:28:34 AM PST by Lx (Do you like it? Do you like it, Scott? I call it, "Mr. & Mrs. Tenorman Chili.")
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To: ClearCase_guy

Someone could start military provider Boondoggle, Inc and be successful.


8 posted on 02/28/2016 9:30:05 AM PST by citizen (There is no R Party or D Party-They are all in a Uni-Party...call it The DC Party-And America loses!)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

yea! what use is a helicopter when you’re in australia ...

it’s not like the terrain is vast and inhospitable

/sarc

if you can think of an absolutely stupid idea that would hurt the country... guaranteed the left will promote it.


9 posted on 02/28/2016 9:59:39 AM PST by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: Olog-hai

You know what they say, O. People never learn.


10 posted on 02/28/2016 10:32:15 AM PST by Jacob Kell (Jimmy Carter is the skidmark in the panties of American history, Obama is the yellow stain in front)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Sell ‘em to some little pissant country with oil bucks.


11 posted on 02/28/2016 10:32:37 AM PST by JimRed (Is it 1776 yet? TERM LIMITS, now and forever! Build the Wall, NOW!)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
Canberra wants to replace the Tiger with a lighter helicopter for commandos that can fit inside a C-17 transport plane

This what they need....now pay attention 007

12 posted on 02/28/2016 10:46:16 AM PST by xp38
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To: xp38

I love the picture of Q. I always found it curious that people who wear shorts that hang to just above the knee with socks pulled up to just below the knee, will look at people with unpatched holes in the knees of their jeans and call them slovenly. People with holes in the knees of their jeans will look at the low shorts/high socks people and call them dorky. In fact, both styles essentially serve the same function.


13 posted on 02/28/2016 10:52:00 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

I bid $20 for one.


14 posted on 02/28/2016 11:03:49 AM PST by DPMD
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To: xp38
A 2 seat autogyro with 60-100hp would be ideal... you could use Rotax power located at the CG point driving a prop directly and a pre-rotator for the rotor either hydraulically or electrically.. there is a large 4 seat autogyro that was used as security at a recent Olympics that was (I believe) turbine powered.. it could hop up in under 10 feet with pre-rotate.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCEYfW8DyxQ

15 posted on 02/28/2016 12:35:44 PM PST by Neidermeyer (Bill Clinton is a 5 star general in the WAR ON WOMEN and Hillary is his Goebbels.)
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To: Olog-hai
Not quite disarming (The plan includes U.S. $21.5 billion in new spending,)

Over what was previously announced: more P-8A Poseidon MPAs, more KC-30 Tanker-transports, more CH-47F Chinook, G-550 Elint, upgrades to existing equipment.

16 posted on 02/28/2016 5:08:28 PM PST by Oztrich Boy ('Life is a comedy to those who think and a tragedy for those who feel' - Horace Walpole)
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