Posted on 02/22/2016 1:46:57 AM PST by Helicondelta
Several Republican presidential campaigns have labeled Texas Sen. Ted Cruz's campaign as dishonest -- and now a Cruz supporter says he agrees.
C. Steven Tucker, a member of Cruz's Illinois leadership team, told the Washington Examiner he could not stay silent about the falsehoods repeatedly uttered by the senator on the campaign trail. Specifically, Tucker takes issue with Cruz's comments about Donald Trump's ideas on healthcare.
"Senator Cruz's quotes are very salacious and incorrect. He says if you vote for Donald Trump, you vote for Bernie Sanders-style socialized medicine; Trump, Clinton, Sanders have identical positions on healthcare," Tucker said. "That is absolutely, 100 percent not true."
Politifact agrees with Tucker and rated Cruz's claim as "false."
(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonexaminer.com ...
>>Nothing Trump is proposing will lower the cost of providing access to health care to the poor.
Nothing will do that. Health care is expensive because everyone expects top shelf care. I know old people who complain constantly about the high cost of their prescription drugs. They’ll pay a $100 a month for a statin, but I insist on a generic and it costs me $5. Same for their BP meds, etc.
As long as we maintain that health care should be “fair”, the costs for the poor will only increase. Of course, if you talk about the cost-effectiveness of top-tier statins for a 75 year old vs a 45 year old, you get screamed at about “Death Panels”.
So, we don’t want single-payer.
We don’t want mandatory insurance.
We don’t want advisory (”Death”) panels to evaluate the cost-effectiveness of treatment based on the patient’s overall health.
We don’t want the poor in the ER.
We don’t want the poor in our doctor’s office.
We don’t want to force doctors to work for free.
What do we want? (I know what it is, but I want someone to say it.)
Health care is expensive because it is heavily regulated, trial lawyers causing very expensive malpractice insurance and defensive medicine among other things. Defensive in terms of running tests, etc so they don’t get sued, not because it will improve your outcome. It is also expensive because the customer rarely directly pays for the services rendered anymore. The customer is now the insurance company.
We want a truly free market that is allowed to innovate and compete with each other.
And no, everyone should not be treated the same. If you pay for your care, you should be able to pay for the level of care you want without penalty. You earned it. It should be like paying to go out and eat. You can go to McDonold’s or you can go somewhere with a higher level of service/quality.
And the bottom line, life isn’t fair and the government can’t make it fair.
Did you hear Ted just fired his communications director? I wonder why.
The best solution for you is to pretend that Ted Cruz won a single county in South Carolina.
And that has what to do with the facts of this thread that are being discussed?
You claim things are lies which aren’t.
The communications director posted something today that was factually false. He’s being removed as a result. The problem is?
Actually it hasn't always been that way. Most hospitals 100 years back belonged to churches, the for profit medicine is fairly new. Hospitals managed their free care by overcharging the insured patients, that is a documented fact for at least 65 years. Basically it allowed Hospitals to illegally transfer wealth with full knowledge of the government.
So your point is that voters want progressive health care and therefore conservatives should be a-okay with that and move on?
And the house of cards came tumbling down.
Lies is the common theme. Not rocket science.
You can take everything he has said since his announcement and toss it in the BS bin. It's creative writing.
Nothing is quite as expensive as “free stuffâ€.
Considering the government money in question is actually tax payer monies why is forcing the hospital to absorb the cost of free care any different, since they merely overcharge those that can afford to pay. Seems the same people are paying. The key is to reduce the cost, there is simply no logical reason a hand full of pills could cost tens of thousand of dollars here and tens of dollars in Mexico, other than government.
I have taken some heat for saying the only we we can get out of the unconstitutional mess we have currently is to have the same kind of powerful president that it took to get us into it, because Congress will otherwise block any attempt to undo it.
Our Congress doesn't have a conservative body in it and neither does most of the citizens. The last election should have been a wake up call but it wasn't. Either a majority of citizens have a remarkable penchant for socialism or they have perfected election fraud.
>>And the bottom line, life isn’t fair and the government can’t make it fair.
Everything you said is absolutely true. (The whole post. Not just the quoted part.)
So, how do we deal with the increasing “needs” of health care? As an example, the vets keep complaining about how the VA doesn’t do “enough” for them, yet every person who comes home from Iraq or Afghanistan has PTSD that requires constant care. WW2 vets, Korea vets, and most VN vets just manned-up and got over it—despite the fact that they went through wars where the enemy had real artillery, air support, and tanks. So, the VA money gets spent on PTSD and that takes away from real injuries.
Same thing for Medicare. The expectations just keep growing. No one wants to feel old, so we pay for ED treatment and knee replacements for very old people, along with the top-tier statins and other drugs I mentioned earlier. But, mention “needs based” care that includes an overall health assessment and you are in favor of death camps for old people and you have to hear about how the Boomers “paid” for all that Medicare.
Finally, you mention tort reform and everyone will tell you that one story about something really heinous that warranted a malpractice claim, but ignore the thousands of frivolous ones and the billions in defensive medicine.
It’s a giant hot mess.
You really are a simpleton. So let’s ignore the fact that you’re supporting a candidate that wants socialist healthcare because the state that elected Lindsey Graham and Nikki Haley didn’t go to Ted Cruz because Ben Carson has decided to play spoiler for Donald Trump. At any rate, I have no respect for you and consider you to be a twobit political hack and Trump supporters deal in fallacy. After all, its not like you have a record, principles, values, accomplishments, or anything else to run on. I’ll be posting my thread tomorrow and force Trumpkins to examine his record and defend it.
This article is old news.
So you are proposing running on a platform that would deny healthcare to the indigent and homeless. Democrats believe we do that now. Try running on that platform.
What he is saying is no one will be denied health care because of inability to pay, which is what we currently have and have had years before Obama.
The current lie is that he is in favor of the the entire ObamaCare mandate, because he was responding to a question about losing the ability to get insurance if you have a preexisting illness. Trump supported that mandate, not the entire mandated package in ObamaCare. Any honest observer of the entire question on video has to see that, but then, where is the fun in that?
Medicaid paid for many years and no one bitched about it, now All of a sudden Medicaid for the few has become single payer !!!! NICE TRY!!!!
Cruz just fired his communications director for the Rubio video accusing Rubio of dissing his Dad and the Bible.
Well yes, yes you do, very kind of you. The last big item I had done in a hospital was some stent work. My insurance(Bluecross/medicare) was billed approximately 5 time what they actually paid, I was not responsible to pay the overcharge.
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