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To: Ray76
No they're not. They hardware and software can remain in Apple’s possession. The FBI wants access to the data.

That's not what the Court Order specifically states, Ray. It says the FBI is to be provided with the software . . . It's quite explicit.

". . . providing the FBI with a signed iPhone Software file, recovery bundle or other Software image File ("SIF") that can be loaded onto the SUBJECT DEVICE. The SIF will load and run from Random Access Memory ("RAM") and will not modify the i/os on the actual phone, the user data partition or system partition on the devices's flash memory. . . The SIF will be loaded via Device Firmware Upgrade ("DFU") mode, recovery mode or other applicable mode available to the FBI."

". . . providing the FBI" . . . That's very explicit.

From the Dictionary:

Provide: verb

From the Thesaurus:

Provide:

WORDS MEAN THINGS, Ray76, no matter how YOU really WANT to twist them.

The court order cannot be read any other way but that the FBI was to be handed any software that Apple developed that succeeded in getting into the iPhone, regardless of WHERE it was done. Attorney's are skilled at getting camels through eyes of needles. . . and this is a slam dunk in that Court Order. I've read enough of them in my career. I have an attorney on my payroll even now. He agrees, there is no other way to read that.

96 posted on 02/21/2016 7:51:02 PM PST by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue....)
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To: Swordmaker

The order permits Apple to take possession of the device to load programs in its own secure location. From the order:

The SIF will be loaded on the SUBJECT DEVICE at either a government facility, or alternatively, at an Apple facility; if the latter, Apple shall provide the government with remote access to the SUBJECT DEVICE through a computer allowing the government to conduct passcode recovery analysis.


97 posted on 02/21/2016 8:03:45 PM PST by Ray76 (Judge Roy Moore for Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States)
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