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To: DiogenesLamp; big'ol_freeper

I thought the same, briefly. Then I realized almost NO lawyer/judge/politician/etc. gives 2 sh!ts for the Constitution, except when it suits THEM.

Apple SHOULD have responded, “Sure. We will do what we can to crack the current encryption: When in OUR possession, in OUR labs and under OUR controls. We will then GLADLY return the non-encrypted phone to the FBI. After which, the process will be destroyed and no further customer need worry about any ‘back-door’, 4th Amendment infringements.”

Apple secures their property, judge is satisfied, FBI would have the data they requested and the FBI wouldn’t have SQUAT to further abuse the 4th for the rest of us.

I have long lost the trust of ANY govt to do anything for the benefit of The People, let alone voluntarily say “Whoa!” when trampling upon our Rights. I can think of NO slippery-slope that is not a full-on free-fall.


90 posted on 02/19/2016 5:42:20 PM PST by i_robot73 ("A man chooses. A slave obeys." - Andrew Ryan)
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To: i_robot73; RetiredTexasVet
I made exactly the same argument.

It was wrong.

See post #60:

I'm not a fan of Apple but they are right. If Apple "creates software" to hack this phone, the FBI or "some other agency" will subpoena it afterwards despite the FBI's assurances (note that they cannot make agreements enforceable on any other agencies). When the FBI or other agency obtains it by subpoena, since it now exists, it will be on the internet within hours.

The Feds do not have the moral, ethical, or professional standards to protect anything. If some employee doesn't sell it, some slack-jawed self proclaimed IT expert will allow it to be hacked and stolen.

103 posted on 02/19/2016 5:48:54 PM PST by null and void (This is "They live", and most people would rather fight you than put on the glasses...)
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To: i_robot73

“FBI wouldn’t have SQUAT to further abuse the 4th for the rest of us.”

Any time they want to crack your phone, they cite precedent, it was done in March 2016, so please obey this court order to crack i_robot’s phone. We know you can do it now.


109 posted on 02/19/2016 5:52:06 PM PST by DBrow
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To: i_robot73
Apple SHOULD have responded, "Sure. We will do what we can to crack the current encryption: When in OUR possession, in OUR labs and under OUR controls.

My reading of the Judge's order allows them to do exactly that. It specifically says that Apple may keep the phone at an Apple facility.

We will then GLADLY return the non-encrypted phone to the FBI. After which, the process will be destroyed and no further customer need worry about any 'back-door', 4th Amendment infringements."

The judges order also says that the firmware change will be specific to that phone's serial number. Presumably this is intended to allay concerns that it can be used on other phones.

Apple secures their property, judge is satisfied, FBI would have the data they requested and the FBI wouldn’t have SQUAT to further abuse the 4th for the rest of us.

I believe that is the deal the FBI is seeking, and the deal to which they would agree if Apple would simply ask for clarification from the Judge instead of making this into a bogey man tin-foil-hat circus.

I have long lost the trust of ANY govt to do anything for the benefit of The People, let alone voluntarily say "Whoa!" when trampling upon our Rights.

I don't trust them either, but the branch generally regarded as most trustworthy at securing rights protected under the US Constitution is the Judiciary.

111 posted on 02/19/2016 5:54:24 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: i_robot73
thought the same, briefly. Then I realized almost NO lawyer/judge/politician/etc. gives 2 sh!ts for the Constitution, except when it suits THEM.

Apple SHOULD have responded, “Sure. We will do what we can to crack the current encryption: When in OUR possession, in OUR labs and under OUR controls. We will then GLADLY return the non-encrypted phone to the FBI. After which, the process will be destroyed and no further customer need worry about any ‘back-door’, 4th Amendment infringements.”

Apple Secures their property, judge is satisfied, FBI would have the data they requested and the FBI wouldn’t have SQUAT to further abuse the 4th for the rest of us.

I have long lost the trust of ANY govt to do anything for the benefit of The People, let alone voluntarily say “Whoa!” when trampling upon our Rights. I can think of NO slippery-slope that is not a full-on free-fall.

So what is the stop some programmer or executive douche bag at Apple getting a hold of that code and then selling it, nothing

121 posted on 02/19/2016 6:03:31 PM PST by WMarshal (Who in the Republican Party will be brave enough to name Obama a traitor?)
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