Conservatives Must Not Squander This Opportunity

Townhall.com ^ | February 19, 2016 | Davvvid Limbaugh

[Kenny]

Have you read why he cast his vote for TPA.

No, was it another poison pill?

Truth is it doesn't matter why. Republicans are supposed to be stopping Obama, not giving him Fast Track on another deal to kill America. Cruz is supposed to be supporting the Constitution not pushing for Fast Track which supplants Congressional authority. There is no good reason to support it.

[Windflier]

David Limbaugh is ‘still fighting the last war’.

Like so many in the media, David is so invested in the ideological and political paradigms of the past, he can’t wrap his head around the cultural movement happening right before his eyes.

In this election, it’s less about R vs D, or conservative versus liberal - it’s about cleaning out the cess pool in Washington and doing what the American people want, for a change. We want the border secured, the illegals sent packing, the terrorists on the run, the taxes slashed, the jobs to come home, fedzilla reined in, Obamacare repealed, our military strengthened, political correctness crushed, and our domestic enemies defeated.

We want a sure, steady, and seasoned hand at the wheel over the next four to eight years. Someone who has demonstrated the ability to manage a large and complex operation like our government, in the real world. That person also must have his eye firmly fixed on correcting what’s actually ailing this country, not playing to his political base for brownie points.

In short, this country is in a state of near rebellion, and requires an extraordinary individual to guide us through the contentious processes of reclaiming our nation. That individual must have a rare sort of courage, and the kind of personality that naturally leads. A ‘take charge’ type of person who wins because he makes more right decisions than wrong decisions. Someone who will make a tough choice when he sees that it will benefit his people, but maybe not his party, or the elite classes.

David, this is why Trump is dominating the race, and is leaving the rest of the field so far behind. Wake up, man. Smell the revolution.

[plsjr]

After having viewed this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UO3nn7awUk, I expect Trump would exacerbate the problem.

[1Old Pro]

well said

[Outlaw76]

My story is nearly the opposite.
I've supported Cruz since before he announced his candidacy.
When Trump came along shouting the very things Cruz has been fighting for I liked him a whole lot. Definitely my #2 pick.

Then I came back to this forum to cheat on the success ‘our side's was having by beating the establishment with a one-two punch to the head.

Aaaaand then I got attacked by Trump supporters for supporting Cruz.

I couldn't believe it. “He's greasy and no one likes him” -that was before the NBC comments from trump.

Then it went full on NBC combined with ‘greasy’ and other, non policy based assaults. It was all BS and invective. I was shocked.

Then Iowa.... The debate dodging seemed like a really bad thing to me. The threats, assaults on personality used by Trump and echoed with absolute glee by his supporters... I get angry, but really?

At this moment my heart has hardened. I will not hold my nose and vote again. I will write in Cruz if I must.

I don't know how DT can change my mind at this point. Trump's army here on FR has taken the negative aspects of his way of doing things and showed me what 4years of his leadership will do to the conservative message.

If what I've seen here is writ large by electing trump, the constitution is done for and we are looking at imperial presidents until the next civil war.

[Theophilus]

You're the one in freefall Doughty.

For the moment, it seem like we have a shortage of parachutes.

[pilgrim]

OK.

No, seems he was lied to but thanks for the reasoning.

Thanks.

Take care.........pilgrim

[Lakeshark]

A suggestion: both sides have been way over the top with their most rabid supporters. Don’t take it personally that FR is having its primary melt down. It’s happened before.

If Cruz wins I’ll support him, he’d be head and shoulders above the dems.

I just think Trump is the better candidate for this time.

I’m most thankful it seems to be coming to a choice between the two of them, and Jeb has been exposed as a feckless candidate we don’t have to consider.

[Mr. K]

Cruz would be electable, but Trump would be a landslide...

Are these people not seeing the STADIUMS of people coming out to see him?

Then you would have a large number of GOP elected on his coattails.

Trump/Cruz would have been even better (I like both of them) for 16 years

[plsjr]

You’re probably referring to the amendment he proposed for the bill submitted by the gang of 8 which exposed their lie of ‘legal status’ for illegals. http://www.factcheck.org/2015/12/did-cruz-support-legalization/ with your ‘was and is for legalization’ assertion. Disingenuous assertions, whether intended or just repeated, do not serve the truth.

I’ve heard, understand and agree with the reason Cruz supported TPA. Unlike most, it appears, I understand the difference between TPA and TPP, and how something like TPA has been necessary and in defacto use for 80 years.
http://paulryan.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=398270

Too many people aren’t doing their due diligence regarding the facts and the truth and/or are just haters.

[Kenny]

TPA paves the way for TPP. Trade deals have never failed with Fast Track, it’s a vote for TPP just with some cover because it’s a political runaround the Constitution, allows Congress to abdicate their own responsibility.

[DoughtyOne]

LoL

Hey! “:^)

[plsjr]

I share your story.

I enjoyed the eye-poking Trump was doing to the pc crowd, the leftists and the establishment. After watching a half dozen of his rallies, I noticed that there was a serious lack of substance to his events - all about him and his relationships and how he was going to do this and that with no explanations.

When he began turning on those he was “good friends” with merely days before, I began to smell a rat. It's gotten continuously worse for me since then. The breaking straw for me was a suppressed documentary (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UO3nn7awUk) that admittedly, I haven't been able to watch completely, yet.

This thread is better than most I've seen on FR of late. Honest, reasoned discussion in an environment of open minded pursuit of what's best for our families and country is what I've loved about FR in the past. It has moved toward being a cesspool of vitriol as more Trump supporters descend into the same deceitful, ad hominem and patronizing methods used by Trump his whole adult life.

I fear we will rue having allowed a Trump presidency almost as much as an obama one and I also believe Cruz is the only chance the U.S.A. has to turn back from becoming like a euro-state, or worse, a part of the caliphate.

[TXSearcher]

Cruz has been fighting for this country since I first noticed him in 2008 during the Medellin Vs Texas case...where he fought (and won) against Bush and globalists who thought foreign laws should rule over Texas law so they could free an illegal alien MURDERER/RAPIST (and other foreigners).

He came back on my radar when he ran for the Senate.

Cruz talked about common sense solutions to the problems that mattered to me and after doing further research.....I cautiously gave him my vote, truly expecting him to turn into another Cornyn as soon as he got to Washington.

I've watched him day in....and day out, almost "impatiently waiting" for him to go "turncoat" over the things he promised in Texas.....and he never did.

I don't care how many of you "hate" him and I don't care if his fellow Senators, the media or the GOPe hate him. He will get my vote again this primary because he's EARNED IT by doing exactly what he promised me he would do.

So here's hoping you have as much faith in your candidate's promises as I do mine.......and may America chose wisely this year.

[Resettozero]

My story is nearly the opposite.

The truth is probably that this primary's stew here on FR has been sliced/diced and continually stirred by political operatives favoring neither Cruz nor Trump particularly. Could be RNC and/or DNC agitators; little difference these years.

Looking at things this way will help me -- and hopefully other FReepers -- to put down the light-sabers and 9mm weaponry after things settle here later.

FR has been trashed by outsiders with vested interests, just as it has been for many elections previously. The way I'm looking at it anyway.

[Kaslin]

BTTT

[Bubba Gump Shrimp]

-—They support Trump so that they can commit character assassinations against conservatives even on formerly conservative forums like this one

I will speak for myself. I am a registered dem out of necessity (long story). I have not voted since Perot. I voted twice for Reagan before that, and once for old “Read my Lips”. This country, through Clinton’s and Bush’s has gone down the toilet.

I don’t care about assassinating conservatives. I don’t care about assassinating liberals. I usually just mind my own beeswax, because it’s a waste of time.

Liberals are rubes because they think that giving to their candidates will improve black neighborhoods or give blacks more rights jobs. All nonsense. It will never happen because liberals need that stuff to raise money. (blacks are the biggest rubes on this front).

Conservatives are rubes because they think giving to their candidates will change the courts or end abortion. All nonsense as well. Again, politicians need this stuff to raise money.

This all started with the Bush’s. I can tell you that. I didn’t see such corruption before. The Clinton’s carried it on. So, those of the Clinton/Bush school of politics in my opinion (not that it matters), ushered in a whole new type of politician, one that actually works to create behind the scenes gerrymandered fighting causes.

Think I’m kidding? In my state we usually have a Republican governor. Each time they promise to clean up Cook County and the corruption. But guess what? I end up having to give their campaigns as well, and BIG. What happens? Nothing, they fund-raise year after year telling us businesses that they are going to clean it up (if only they win this next election), and they are so close to doing so... gee with just a little more help WE CAN GET IT DONE! B.S.

It is not in the interest of any politician to get anything done. They’ve learned the golden rule of government. If government employee is paid $1,000 an hour to fix something, it will NEVER get fixed, I promise you that. It will always be “almost fixed” “we are almost there!” “A little more money!”.

Now, don’t get me wrong, I’m from Chicago, and corruption runs very deep. We are the masters of it. But, back in my day (geeze I sound like my dad), if you greased the Daley Machine (the old man), you GOT results. Now, it’s different. Politics is different. Even back then, the post office worked and made a profit. School wanted and DID get results. Now, no government entity wants results. Hell even our military leaders do their best to make sure we don’t get the job done. WE CAN, but we don’t. It’s more profitable to let the job go on and on and on and on.

Start paying government workers and politicians on their results, and you will have a very different outcome.

So called “conservatives” but how has that worked out? Scott Brown? Paul Ryan? Even Denny Hastert. What did he accomplish in his years as speaker? They accomplish NOTHING. The same for Jesse Jackson, or Barak, or the Clintons, what have they done for blacks? NOTHING.

I imagine things would have been done already, ie gotten better WITHOUT politicians, as opposed to having them their.

The country is against partial birth abortion (by a pretty good margin), yet the issue still hangs around DESPITE efforts of officials. Why? Blacks still are pushed down, not by regular folks, but by the schools they go to, the environment they live in. Why? Where did all the money go? Despite overwhelming financial support for these causes... it hasn’t changed, nor will it, without a major shakeup, and by shakeup, I mean someone else who can come in and say “see we can”. Someone who doesn’t study politics in college, who didn’t study law, someone who doesn’t know how to “get along”.

Sorry for the long post.

[Bubba Gump Shrimp]

post to all regarding my above, sorry for the typos and bad sentence structure, I was interrupted a few times, I’m working right now sitting in my truck, so I lost train of thought while posting, and meandered a bit.

[plsjr]

That’s like saying allowing gun ownership leads to murders.

With bad actors only bad results can be reasonably expected.

The useless congress with a lawless executive (and supreme court) we have had means no law will make any difference. If we are able to change our governments direction, we need good guidance for them to do their job.

Providing a well controlled means for the executive and legislative to accomplish international trade negotiations in good faith is necessary to realizing good trade agreements.

You wouldn’t waste your time negotiating a business agreement when you know the other negotiator couldn’t speak for those who made the final decision on the other side, would you? That’s what TPA was about - giving potential trade partners some basis to believe that their efforts are being spent in good faith.

[Lakeshark]

Operatives likely do their fair share of trouble making here.

I think the over the top stuff happens every election cycle, the slicing and dicing gets piled on by us overly rabid posters to one degree or the other, and a lot of average every day posters are the worst.

It's been the case here since I came on to FR at the end of 2,000.