Posted on 02/17/2016 3:58:16 PM PST by Kaslin
In a very troubling video, Theodore Shoebat, son of former Muslim Walid Shoebat, has claimed that if "sodomites" had walked into the Temple of Jerusalem, Jesus would have killed them.
This is absolutely outrageous, totally unscriptural, and downright dangerous.
Mr. Shoebat, I urge you to repent.
To be perfectly clear, I agree with Theodore that homosexual practice is detestable in God's sight (as stated plainly in the Scriptures); I totally oppose same-sex "marriage"; and I firmly believe that homosexual activism is the principle threat to our freedoms of religion, speech, and conscience.
I also share Theodore's abhorrence of the abusive acts of homosexual predators, just as I abhor the abusive acts of heterosexual predators.
At the same time, I categorically reject his encouragement of violent acts against homosexual men and women, and I renounce his statement that Jesus would have killed homosexuals who walked into the Temple.
That is utter rubbish.
After referring to gays as "faggots," Theodore said on his video, "When you have the sodomites coming out into the streets [meaning, in a gay pride parade] and the Christians come and beat them up, the people who are beating up the sodomites don't really get punished because the society is so conditioned that way. If there's a law written in the hearts of the people, then the people who fighting this evil, physically, with their hands, fighting them, beating them up, those people are not going to get in trouble."
But, he added, "We don't have that in America."
So, Theodore is telling us that it's a good thing when "Christians" physically attack gays and lesbians who are marching down the street in a gay pride event, in particular when these "Christians" do it in a country that will not punish them. And the reason the country will not punish them is because "there's a law written in the hearts of the people," meaning, the law of God that detests homosexual practice.
Not only is this not supported anywhere in the New Testament, which teaches us to overcome evil with good (see, for example, Romans 12:17-21), but it is flatly against the law, since, as much as we may oppose these gay demonstrations, we do not have the right to take the law into our hands and attack homosexual men and women. And if you have God's heart of love and you want to see them saved and transformed, why would you want to beat them up?
The fact that Theodore laments our lack of anti-gay violence is deplorable, and to the extent that he speaks these things as a professing Christian, he hurts the cause of the gospel, brings reproach to the name of Jesus, and blemishes the witness of 99% of true Christians who reject his violent rhetoric.
In fact, after listening to Theodore's words, one can only wonder if he would commend Yishai Schlissel, the ultra-Orthodox Jew who stabbed 6 participants at gay pride event in Jerusalem last year, shortly after being released from prison for stabbing three participants at a similar event in 2005.
Lest you think I'm exaggerating, consider what Theodore said about Jesus Himself, referring to John 2:14-15: "In the Temple, He found the merchants selling oxen, sheep, and doves; also the moneychangers sitting there. Then He made a whip of cords and drove them all out of the Temple, both the sheep and oxen. He dumped out the coins of the moneychangers and overturned their tables" (TLV).
Theodore states, "Jesus Christ took up a whip and beat people up in his Father's temple," adding, "Now imagine if sodomites were in his Father's temple. Jesus would have killed them all. He wouldn't just have hit them; Jesus got violent!"
First, the prophet Isaiah tells us explicitly that Jesus did not get violent: "And they made his grave with the wicked and with a rich man in his death, although he had done no violence, and there was no deceit in his mouth" (Isa 53:9, ESV, my emphasis).
If Jesus had whipped people bloody, that would have been violence. Instead, He overthrew tables and drove out the vendors, using a whip on the cattle.
So, I'll take Isaiah's word for this rather than Theodore's.
But even if you want to claim that Jesus swung a whip at people to drive them out of the Temple, it's more than a massive jump to claim that, "if sodomites were in his Father's temple, Jesus would have killed them all."
Actually, there's a good chance that there were "sodomites" in the Temple - or, if not "sodomites," then others, like adulterers, who also deserved the death penalty under Old Testament law. (Jeremiah 7:1-11, which underlies the gospel accounts of Jesus' cleansing of the Temple, would suggest that, just as in Jeremiah's day, there were adulterers, murderers, and idolaters who hypocritically worshiped at the Temple in Jerusalem, and all of them were liable to the death penalty at that time.)
Jesus, who knew what was in man (John 2:24-25), surely knew that there were gross sinners in the Temple courts. But He didn't kill them, He died for them.
Not only, then, are Theodore's words terribly dangerous, since some unstable listeners might think they are doing God's service by attacking or even, God forbid, trying to kill homosexual men and women.
But they also bear false witness to the character of Jesus, "who, when He was reviled, did not revile in return; when He suffered, He did not threaten, but committed Himselfto Him who judges righteously; who Himself bore our sins in His own body on the tree, that we, having died to sins, might live for righteousness-- by whose stripes you were healed" (1 Pet 2:22-24, NKJV).
It is my privilege to work with godly leaders throughout America and around the world, a good number of whom are frontline, fearless Christians who stand firmly against homosexual activism, and every single one of them would join me in renouncing Theodore Shoebat's words.
They do not represent Jesus, they do not represent the spirit or letter of the New Testament, and they do not represent His true followers.
Share this article widely if you agree with me, and let's pray for Theodore to embrace God's heart and submit to God's Word.
Would not have?
He didn’t. We don’t have to speculate.
Jesus’ first Coming was as the sacrificial lamb whose blood covers the sins of all mankind. The second Coming is a different matter.
Think about that: He could have personally wiped them to dust. Or called a legion of angels to do so. (Few people realize how terrifyingly powerful angles are. One killed all of the first born in Egypt except for those Passed Over. Now imagine a hundred acting in wrath. Or a thousand. Or a million.)
That's kind of the whole point of the crucifixion: Christ could have stopped it at any time but instead chose to sacrifice himself for our sins.
And then some idiot suggests he would have killed ANYONE? That's beyond blaspheme IMHO.
PS Next visit to this ball of dirt, Jesus may (will) be The Lion. But what that means is not for any human to say.
I agree with the writer on this.... he makes clear he not condoning gays... to say Christ would be killing gays is over the top
I appreciate that.
Some titles annoy me. LOL
Let’s be perfectly clear about this. Jesus would have cast the demons who where possessing the homosexual out of the homosexual and thus saved him or her. Jesus came to save sinners, not to condemn them. Those who are condemned have condemned themselves.
Sorry, the last clause of my PS was not well expressed.
The demonization game is easy to do and there are Freepers who do it, some very concertedly.
I can’t think of a less convincing way to witness to the world, than this. Comparing this to the situation of adulteresses, you’d expect something more like weeping “gays” walking up to Him after hearing Him, and repenting on their own volition, and receiving the comfort of God Himself as a result, which confirmed their change of life intent.
And oddly enough, Jesus said that if the miracles that Israel saw had been done in Sodom, they would have repented... that’s God talking, folks....
Folks, this bugs God. I don’t have time for a lengthy dissertation, but there’s a better way to do this. Perhaps the loss of credible witness over the years is one reason for the burgeoning proportion of “gays.” I discussed this in another thread, too. These represent people who have fallen for illicit loves, quite often, because licit loves were not available and they did not yet know God.
And He will be angry at that time at those who obscured His saving love and grace.
If that looks like the contents of a mirror, sir, I can’t help that.
Very Well Said.
References to James 1:23 are always welcome.
I believe that according to old testament law that a known homosexual wouldn’t have made it as far as the temple. He would have been stoned in his home village long before getting close to the temple. So would have been harmful children, adulterers, etc. I suspect it was about getting rid Of the harmful.
Shoebat —> Sh**bat —> Batsh** —> Batsh** Crazy
So welcome, that I ask you to furnish it. Let’s look at the full text in its context.
God would’ve EVENTUALLY eradicated the Earth of homosexuals with AIDS HAD IT NOT BEEN FOR MAN’S MEDICAL INTERVENTION.
The admonitions continue into chapter 2. Especially verse 13.
This is the video, the author is talking about. These homosexual were not just walking around in a temple.
I’ve heard Theodore go too far before, but he has a point here that homosexual rapes are being covered up in schools and the military. The author never mentioned Theodore’s point of the coverups of homosexual rapes.
Four Homosexual Wrestlers On School Bus Take Two Boys And Rape Them, And Then When They Walk Out Of The Bus They Grab Ahold Of One Of Their Victims And Rape Him Twice
By Ted on February 2, 2016 in Featured, General
By Theodore Shoebat
Four homosexual wrestlers in Oklahoma raped two boys as they were returning from a wrestling tournament. Once outside of the bus, the same deviants attacked one of their victims and raped him again. I did a whole video on this with my commentary on why this evil is becoming so endemic in this country:
Actually, there’s no need for much speculation at what He will do on His return to this “ball of dirt”. Revelation is quite clear on both when He returns as well as the consequences of a His breaking the seals shortly before that.
As for the time of His return, He says something, or the sword that comes from His mouth, and everyone following the beast or the FP will be slain.
Revelation record the Lord’s wrath in the time leading up to this and it would seem reasonable that this outpouring will be for reasons not unfamiliar to Jews in OT times: to bear witness that He is Lord and to inspire those still able to confess Him.
One needs to realize that the times we are talking about are at the very end of any possible Romans 1:18-32 situation ... or a culture that is polluted as polluted may yet be, so it takes some “shouting”, in the form of real wrath, to reach those defiled by such a polluted culture (but not personally reprobate, arguably because they had limited knowledge of Him beforehand that they rejected, you know, the sort of thing that sets off a Romans 1:18-32 process of which the embracing of homosexuality is a symptom of a disease well progressed, not a root cause).
So, given that we see the effects of a Romans 1:18-32 process all around us even now, it seems reasonable that most to all of those who have been turned over to reprobate minds, or will yet be, who endure till His actual return will have probably also taken the mark too.
Those will all be slain.
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