Posted on 02/16/2016 9:15:26 PM PST by SubMareener
"I call it the 'Cruz effect,'" Coburn, who retired from the Senate in 2014, told Sirius XM host Pete Dominick. "Look, when you tell people you can accomplish something that you can't, for example, shutting down the government over the Affordable Care Act. When, in fact, you promise people in your speeches and your talk that we can do this, and by dinghy, we're gonna get rid of the Affordable Care Act, and all we have to do is shut down the government.
"Well, that's one thing to tell 'em that," the former Oklahoma senator said. "It's a whole other thing to be able to accomplish that, and build a coalition that once you shut it, that it doesn't get opened up 'till you win.
"So what happens to that is, once you've told people that, and you've put your finger -- 'everybody that doesn't believe exactly like I believe, you're not a patriot, you don't care about the country' -- what you do is you create greater disappointment in the hinterlands, because you gave them a false hope, knowing that you couldn't accomplish it, but it was about yelling, and screaming, and waving the flag," he continued. "And so what happens is, there becomes less confidence in the Congress and its ability to do its job.
"You know, I came out of the Senate with one of the most conservative ratings ever in the history of the Senate. You know, it was like 98.8% in terms of conservative," Coburn concluded. "And yet, I compromised all the time to accomplish things that were good for the country."
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CLEAN UP!?? How about a brand new one? This keyboard has been so abused it is black and blue from the pounding!
The title of the thread was a lie.
You are the one spinning. Your candidate, Trump, was just caught in a knowing lie. Repeating a false quote after it had been publically repudiated and his own campaign had deleted their tweets. I repeat again what Sen. Coburn said about Trump’s lie. “It’s an absolute fabrication. I’ve never said that, period,†Coburn told the Washington Examiner Tuesday afternoon. “It’s unfortunate he would use my name to say something dishonest.”
http://time.com/4226362/donald-trump-ted-cruz-coburn-lying/
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Cruz has told no lies at all.
You on the other hand have told no truth at all.
Gosh! Who to believe...
He is that! And foxes and torches would work just fine :-))
Nick, Nick, I know the politicians have lied to you over and over again, but Donald J. Trump will deliver the goods. He will build the wall, and Mexico will pay for it.
Deliver the Goods
You can’t con people, at least not for long. You can create excitement, you can do wonderful promotion and get all kinds of press, and you can throw in a little hyperbole. But if you don’t deliver the goods, people will eventually catch on.
I think of Jimmy Carter. After he lost the election to Ronald Reagan, Carter came to see me in my office. He told me he was seeking contributions to the Jimmy Carter Library. I asked how much he had in mind. And he said, “Donald, I would be very appreciative if you contributed five million dollars.”
I was dumbfounded. I didn’t even answer him.
But that experience also taught me something. Until then, I’d never understood how Jimmy Carter became president. The answer is that as poorly qualified as he was for the job, Jimmy Carter had the nerve, the guts, the balls, to ask for something extraordinary. That ability above all helped him get elected president. But then, of course, the American people caught on pretty quickly that Carter couldn’t do the job, and he lost in a landslide when he ran for reelection.
Ronald Reagan is another example. He is so smooth and so effective a performer that he completely won over the American people. Only now, nearly seven years later, are people beginning to question whether there’s anything beneath that smile.
I see the same thing in my business, which is full of people who talk a good game but don’t deliver. When Trump Tower became successful, a lot of developers got the idea of imitating our atrium, and they ordered their architects to come up with a design. The drawings would come back, and they would start costing out the job.
What they discovered is that the bronze escalators were going to cost a million dollars extra, and the waterfall was going to cost two million dollars, and the marble was going to cost many millions more. They saw that it all added up to many millions of dollars, and all of a sudden these people with these great ambitions would decide, well, let’s forget about the atrium.
The dollar always talks in the end. I’m lucky, because I work in a very, very special niche, at the top of the market, and I can afford to spend top dollar to build the best. I promoted the hell out of Trump Tower, but I also had a great product to promote.
Trump, Donald J.; Schwartz, Tony (2009-12-18). Trump: The Art of the Deal (Kindle Locations 790-797). Random House Publishing Group. Kindle Edition.
what’s the heck is the “retired” gope coburn doing in all this?
didn’t he quit because he was sick of politics in d.c? these guys just keep coming back up and coming back up like bad pennies.
a little history on coburn off the the top of my head:
he was a self appointed pork barrel watch dog in d.c., but he never got any budget reform passed that i could see. never got earmarks stopped until the tea party forced that to happen. the money just kept going out in bigger and bigger chunks. now there’s no budget at all anymore. just rubber stamped crs from the gopes in congress.
then he hung around long enough to inject himself into a campaign for one of his long time gope buddies and to hamstring a great young tea party conservative in ok’s last election.
then a few years ago he made a big public show of his great “stand” for small farmers and ranchers against the disasterous SB510, the massive fda food safety act, (really the food tyranny act). but then, inexplicably he allowed it to pass unanimously in a voice vote in the middle of the night.
i’d suspect that coburn is nothing but a gope snake looking to damage both trump and cruz.
Former GOP Senator Blasts Pathological Liar Ted Cruz for Constantly Misleading Americans
Former Republican Sen. Tom Coburn critiques 'Cruz effect' on Congress
"When you tell people you can accomplish something that you can't, for example, shutting down the government over the Affordable Care Act," said Coburn, "you create greater disappointment in the hinterlands, because you gave them a false hope, knowing that you couldn't accomplish it, but it was about yelling, and screaming, and waving the flag."
I hope Trump figures this out, and does some sort of mea culpa on Coburn's behalf.
LOL!!! I know! All this FUN we’re having is exhausting for us and damaging to our electronics! When have we EVER had so much fun during a primary!!
TRUMP! GUILTY of ‘paraphrasing’!!! LOL!!
I seriously wish we could be money on it, because Trump has no intention of doing that. The fact he said, 'hew will Mexico pay for it,' was a tipoff he was making fun of people like you.
But worse still. the wall wouldn't make a difference. If Trump had any knowledge of conservative economics, he would understand that. As long as the U.S. is incentivizing illegal immigrants, they will get here.
OK, so Tom Coburn actually said “less confidence in the Congress” and the headline writer shortened that to “Less Faith In Congress”. That is editing, not a lie, because it was not in quotation marks.
Now, “disappointment in the hinterlands” is in quotation marks in the headline because it is an actual quote. Ditto for “Cruz effect”.
Finally, we have “Tom Coburn slams” which is not in quotes, but is a reasonable editorial summation of the interview.
I think that covers all the words in the title, so where do you see a lie?
“And so what happens is, there becomes less confidence in the Congress and its ability to do its job.”
Sad, that. Cruz pulled the covers off the cesspool in Washington for all to see.
Here is Donald Trump’s plan for how Mexico will pay for the wall:
Mexico must pay for the wall and, until they do, the United States will, among other things: impound all remittance payments derived from illegal wages; increase fees on all temporary visas issued to Mexican CEOs and diplomats (and if necessary cancel them); increase fees on all border crossing cards - of which we issue about 1 million to Mexican nationals each year (a major source of visa overstays); increase fees on all NAFTA worker visas from Mexico (another major source of overstays); and increase fees at ports of entry to the United States from Mexico [Tariffs and foreign aid cuts are also options]. We will not be taken advantage of anymore.
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/immigration-reform
Did you believe Harry Potter was true, too?
What has Ted lied about?
“He owes Mr. Slimbeball nothing - absolutely nothing but a kick in the a**.”
Back at cha’. I do believe the Trumbots have now sunk to the bottom of the barrel. They will now be on a witch hunt against Cruz, Levin, Sowell, Gingrich and Rush, who all must be destroyed because they refuse to say Trump IS God.
I’m voting with you, Ghost. Check my new tagline.
He said, “not intellectually honest”
Coburn, who really was a good conservative for years according to the vast number of freepers, was dismayed that they could not act on ObamaCare. He considered Cruz’s tactic of saying it could be defunded as ‘intellectually dishonest”.
Did Coburn say “Cruz is a liar?” Nope.
Did Coburn say that Ted Cruz’s tactic was “intellectually dishonest” because it misled about repealing ObamaCare? Yes, he did.
We did not have 67 votes to override a veto. It wouldn’t have happened, and ObamaCare would not have been repealed. What our side could have done, though, is show that it was really fighting, and not just play fighting.
I don’t have much regard for those phony fights. It wouldn’t have been a phony fight to attempt to withhold funding in exchange for Obama repealing ObamaCare. It would have been notice that a line had been drawn, that ObamaCare would some day go down.
All that said, disagreeing with me on that did not make Senator Coburn a liberal. It made him a disappointment. It only made those who refused to draw the line a disappointment.
LOL I look forward to having a lot more fun. You know, after the primary when things begin to really pick up :-))
We’ll all be completely worn out by then. Don’t know how Donald does it. Do you believe he might give us a few tips on staying power and assuming the role of the energizer bunny?
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