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Cognitive Dissonance and the Followers of Donald Trump
Townhall.com ^ | February 15, 2016 | Michael Brown

Posted on 02/15/2016 10:09:20 AM PST by Kaslin

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To: anton

I knew McCain was no Conservative. I had hopes for the lady who would have been one heartbeat away from his job.


181 posted on 02/16/2016 2:40:25 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: dsc
“I’m a Hispanic before I’m an American” wussy Cruz.

Well, since that is in quotation marks, it must be a quote. Kindly provide a source.

182 posted on 02/16/2016 2:48:39 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: dsc
You just won’t see the weakness in Cruz’s face.

I'm not voting for his face, I'm voting for the spine that has him poorly liked by the majority of the GOP in DC. Despite years of standing up to that crowd of RINOs, Cruz is repeatedly limped in with them, and he is standing up to and bucking a crowd of "colleagues", not passing off decrees from the CEO seat. Who has Trump had to 'stand up to'? Little old ladies who don't want to sell their houses?

Everything else was a 'deal', and his supporters are just more chips in the game. He's using you people and you don't even want to see it.

183 posted on 02/16/2016 2:56:44 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Kaslin
Great column by THIS Michael Brown:

Michael Brown is the host of the nationally syndicated talk radio show The Line of Fire and is the president of FIRE School of Ministry. His newest book is Outlasting the Gay Revolution: Where Homosexual Activism Is Really Going and How to Turn the Tide. Connect with him on Facebook at AskDrBrown or on Twitter at drmichaellbrown

You can tell it's good based on the number of those who have decided they need to post after it to defend their man.

184 posted on 02/16/2016 3:00:39 AM PST by John W (Under One Year And Counting!)
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To: dsc
I’m wondering how many of them are false-flag posters, just here to create hate and discontent.

We aren't the ones with the DTs. Just because we don't join your hive mind does not mean we're false-flag wavers, either. You are all taking on the aspects of a cult.

Your guy is the only guy.

Failure to elect your guy will lead to the apocalypse

Only your guy has the solution to the world's problems.

My humble advice is to stay away from the refreshment table, but it may be too late for that.

185 posted on 02/16/2016 3:03:08 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: dsc
"Instead, they ransack the last 20 years, cherry picking and pulling things out of context to prove their point." Just as leftists do.

What else is there to go by besides his record of actions, statements, and behaviour?

What candidate is NOT subjected to this?

But even if we start at Iowa, I have seen enough to know Trump is not the person I will vote for.

186 posted on 02/16/2016 3:06:44 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: SaxxonWoods

Quite correct.

Unfortunately, he seems to be the best alternative right now. And I have significant, severe concerns with him being pro-choice until fairly recently, all those ‘Rat donations, support of PP, while only recently differentiating which PP functions he supports...

I accept that someone could have evolved with their views, morphing into someone that could be described as a “moderate conservative”.

I also have concerns with his persona. Gigantic ego, which must be fed constantly. An immature emotional intelligence.

I get the sense that he thinks he is smarter (a better dealmaker) than everyone else in the room.

I have real problems with him blaming W for the WTC coming down. I have real problems with him stating that the Bush Administration “lied us into war”, given what we know now.

I get the sense that he is not familiar with the Bible and has only passing familiarity with Christianity in general.

However, I believe Elmer Cruz to be worse. I believe Cruz to be a wolf in sheep’s clothing. His current behavior is really inexcusable.

Trump has done some very good, very generous things over the years, in many cases quietly so he doesn’t get the blowing horns announcing what he has done.

I am reconsidering (again) my support for him. But I see no viable alternative. Rubio, Yeb, Cruz, Kasich are all worse.

Would that a true leader steps up.


187 posted on 02/16/2016 3:21:07 AM PST by sauropod (I am His and He is mine.)
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To: sauropod

“His current behavior is really inexcusable.”

Could you elaborate?


188 posted on 02/16/2016 4:22:56 AM PST by John W (Under One Year And Counting!)
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To: John W

Yes it is.


189 posted on 02/16/2016 4:25:03 AM PST by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him. He got them and now we have to pay the consequences)
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To: Smokin' Joe

“Well, since that is in quotation marks, it must be a quote.”

I think you must be aware that there are different uses for that particular punctuation mark.

Stop arguing like a liberal.


190 posted on 02/16/2016 7:13:08 AM PST by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: Kaslin

-— What makes this all the more disturbing, not to mention downright scary, is that a substantial percentage of his supporters profess to be evangelical Christians, and it still appears that there is almost nothing he could say or do that would dampen their support for him. -—

It’s obvious at this point that arguments are irrelevant.

The best explanation I’ve read for this blind allegiance to Trump is that he appeals to authoritarian personalities across all demographics.

This corresponds to the tactics of Trump supporters which are typically to shout down or ridicule opponents.


191 posted on 02/16/2016 7:25:12 AM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas; Kaslin
The best explanation I've read for this blind allegiance to Trump is that he appeals to authoritarian personalities across all demographics.

I wonder if it could have anything to do with this


192 posted on 02/16/2016 7:31:40 AM PST by jpsb (Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied. Otto von Bismark)
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To: Smokin' Joe

“I’m not voting for his face, I’m voting for the spine”

The face reveals that he doesn’t have a spine.

“that has him poorly liked by the majority of the GOP in DC.”

It is his mouth that has him poorly liked, not anything he has actually done.

“Despite years of standing up to that crowd of RINOs,”

Standing up to? I think that only counts when there is actually something at stake. What was he risking, a group frowning?

“Cruz is...standing up to and bucking a crowd of “colleagues”

He has expressed disagreement. He’s hardly the boy on the burning bridge.

“not passing off decrees from the CEO seat. Who has Trump had to ‘stand up to’?

Are you really so uninformed? I don’t know if Trump’s life has been at stake, although I suspect it might have been, but he has had to deal with organized crime—both governmental and private sector—competitors and enemies out to take some or all of what he had, spiteful bureaucrats who would have loved to ruin him, conniving women...who knows how many people have taken a run at Trump’ money?

A person might say, “Well, that’s only money; it’s not like combat,” and that is true. But at least Trump has had skin in the game. And he did very well. Do you have a billion dollars? Me neither.

“Little old ladies who don’t want to sell their houses?”

You should look into that a little more closely.

“Everything else was a ‘deal’”

Knocking heads and coming out ahead. That’s a lot better than the Stupid Party has managed to do since Ronaldus Magnus.

“and his supporters are just more chips in the game.”

I’ve never met the man, have you? It’s pretty clear that St. Francis of Assisi is not at risk of losing his place in history, but neither do we have crowds of women and ex-employees crowding up to claim he screwed them. He looks to me like a man of average goodness, no better or worse than he should be.

“He’s using you people and you don’t even want to see it.”

I’ve always been concerned about that, and I suspect the rest of his supporters in the sensible center have too. We won’t know until the fat is in the fire. We do know, though, that the Two Cubans and the rest of the pubbies will stab us in the back almost before we can turn around.

As time passes, the Manchurian Candidate scenario looks less and less likely.


193 posted on 02/16/2016 7:51:29 AM PST by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: dsc

I’m concerned about Cruz from a different point of view, that he isn’t using his Christian light anywhere near as much as he could. Christian as in being a vessel by which the love of God is brought to bear into the world. People often are tempted to believe that morality is enough, but it isn’t. Without the love of God there isn’t any enduring reason to be moral.


194 posted on 02/16/2016 7:56:17 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

“We aren’t the ones with the DTs. Just because we don’t join your hive mind does not mean we’re false-flag wavers, either. You are all taking on the aspects of a cult.”

Spoken like a liberal. That’s something a Hitlery supporter would say.

“Your guy is the only guy.”

And again, malicious distortion. Trump is the only one of *these* guys who has even said the right things.

“Failure to elect your guy will lead to the apocalypse”

And again, malicious distortion. It is the events leading up to the present moment that have the country teetering on the brink of disaster. Trump is the only one who is even talking about pulling us back from the brink. The others promise only to give us a push.

“Only your guy has the solution to the world’s problems.”

And again, malicious distortion. With the exception of the brain-dead left (Do you ever criticize them, or just Trump supporters?) we all have solutions to the country’s problems. However, only Trump has even *said* that he would like to implement some solutions. Princess Cruz is positively leaking in his eagerness to abolish our borders.

“My humble advice is to stay away from the refreshment table, but it may be too late for that.”

It may be satisfying to badmouth someone you disagree with, but you have advanced no rational arguments.


195 posted on 02/16/2016 8:01:23 AM PST by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: dsc

If “arguing like a liberal” is all you have for holding you to task for a quote from someone which is unsourced and likely a fabrication, that tells me you are slandering the man by putting words in his mouth. A quote is surrounded by “quotation marks” A paraphrase or emphasized phrase that is not the exact wording used by the person in question is surrounded with ‘and’. You have no source. It isn’t a direct quote. You are just lying like a liberal.


196 posted on 02/16/2016 8:02:39 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: dsc
"It may be satisfying to badmouth someone you disagree with, but you have advanced no rational arguments."

"Spoken like a liberal. That’s something a Hitlery supporter would say."

You people have left for the funny farm. All you can do is to attempt to slander me with your like a liberal comments, and Hillary supporter nonsense. You are the one not being rational, just blowing crap out and hoping some sticks.

It doesn't. Have a nice day.

197 posted on 02/16/2016 8:06:04 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

“What else is there to go by besides his record of actions, statements, and behaviour?”

Good question. When I was fifteen, I made this really cool friend. My mother took one look at him and said, “Stay away from that kid. He’s a criminal.” The arrogance of youth was strong in me, and I rejected her opinion. Of course, she was right and I was wrong.

Over the next few decades, I developed a little of that ability to spot a bad apple myself. I was living in Japan when Billy Blythe suddenly emerged from obscurity. I knew nothing about him, but it took me less than fifteen seconds of watching him on TV to see that he is a despicable scoundrel. Obama likewise.

Trump may not be a saint, but neither is he a cowardly weakling like the Two Cubans, nor is he a stupid cowardly weakling like Jeb Bush, nor is he an ethics-free scumbag politician like the rest of them.

“What candidate is NOT subjected to this?”

I don’t mind subjecting him to it, but as with every other candidate, I would like to see him subjected to it in a way that reflects credit on those who scrutinize—that is, without deceit.

“But even if we start at Iowa, I have seen enough to know Trump is not the person I will vote for.”

History is pock-marked with instances of outsiders stepping up and doing much better than the establishment, from ancient Greece forward. I can’t tell you how long I have wanted a candidate who would tell a scumbag to take a flying fark at a rolling doughnut.


198 posted on 02/16/2016 8:23:14 AM PST by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

“If “arguing like a liberal” is all you have for holding you to task for a quote from someone which is unsourced and likely a fabrication, that tells me you are slandering the man by putting words in his mouth.”

You are insisting on the worst possible interpretation because that one allows you to criticize, while ignoring the interpretation you know to be correct.

“A quote is surrounded by “quotation marks”

What makes that statement a lie is that you know there are several other uses for quotation marks. You know full well that quotation marks are not always and only used to denote a quotation.

“A paraphrase or emphasized phrase that is not the exact wording used by the person in question is surrounded with ‘and’.”

Well, that’s just incorrect. Back to school with you.

“You are just lying like a liberal.”

If you wanted to turn that back on me, you really should have waited for a better opportunity.

That’s my read on his character, and even if I turn out to be wrong (But, you know, I’m not.) it is a mistake rather than a lie.

Your note is exactly the kind of crap hysterical libtards pull.

Here’s something posted by another Freeper some time back:

I can explain (some alleged contradiction) quite easily. I see it here on FR all the time. Somebody latches onto a simple misinterpretation of a statement because it gives that person the perfect venue to strut and preen in defense of his own ecclesiastical/political/moral existence. Thus has Satan snuck in to the discussion all unnoticed. The saints—I believe it was a hated Jesuit as a matter of fact—have taught us that in a dispute, the disputing parties have a duty to attach the most innocent and least malicious motives and explanations to the other’s statements. It is part of the virtue of charity. It is what anyone would want from you, and it is plain common sense.

Now, there’s a recipe for elevating the level of discourse in the blink of an eye.


199 posted on 02/16/2016 8:37:29 AM PST by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: dsc
Trump may not be a saint, but neither is he a cowardly weakling like the Two Cubans, nor is he a stupid cowardly weakling like Jeb Bush, nor is he an ethics-free scumbag politician like the rest of them.

Cruz stood his ground and faced the stacked debate panel. The Donald hid behind some veterans.

Where did that money go? List of recipients, please.

In Iowa, Cruz said he would end the ethanol mandate (right in the middle of Corn country where the Governor's son is an Ethanol Industry lobbyist). Shortly after the Governor said 'Cruz had to be defeated, whatever it takes',

Trump said he'd push for an increase in the mandate and use the EPA to enforce it to the fullest extent of the law.

Cruz had to know that there are serious problems with ethanol as a motor fuel, and that it robs each and every driver of 10% of their gas mileage, and that Branstad's Son was a lobbyist for a very popular program in Corn Country because it makes the farmers and the state richer--but despite the obvious downside, he stood up for what is right.

The Donald dealt away our MPG and ensured he'd keep the EPA (THE single most destructive Federal Agency when it comes to wrecking American industry) to stay out of the line of fire.

You seem to think businessmen are somehow immune to being ethics free scumbags, but there are some out there and some very rich ones. Make of that what you will.

200 posted on 02/16/2016 8:37:58 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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