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Trump’s Eminent Disdain Donald is wrong about the Keystone Pipeline and property rights.
The Wall Street Journal ^ | February 10, 2016 | Unknown

Posted on 02/11/2016 6:15:22 PM PST by House Atreides

You can't build a real estate empire unless government helps you snatch private property, or so says Donald Trump, who routinely defends eminent domain as an inevitable business reality. Maybe he needs broader business experience.

In Saturday's Republican debate, Mr. Trump fielded a question about eminent domain and had a ready answer. "You need eminent domain," Mr. Trump said. "A lot of the big conservatives that tell me how conservative they are," they "all want the Keystone Pipeline. The Keystone Pipeline, without eminent domain, it wouldn't go 10 feet, OK?"

Not OK, or accurate. In the decade since TransCanada proposed the pipeline system, which includes the Keystone XL route President Obama rejected last year, the company says it has negotiated voluntary easements with 96% of 2,600 landowners across 3,000 miles and nine states. That includes 100% of landowners on the Keystone XL path in Montana and South Dakota, and 91% in Nebraska. TransCanada has on rare occasion turned to eminent domain, a process that usually involves a panel of experts determining fair compensation.

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TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: betterdeal4trump; eminentdomain; pipelinevscasino; publicvsprivate; trump; trump4himself; trumpvalues
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To: House Atreides

Fact is, 100% of the land in Texas along the Rio Grande is privately owned by Bundy types and they use the River for their cows. I’m an old man but I live in East Texas and think even myself will go and support them.
Mr. Trump here’s the deal. A wall is not an easement, it is land possession. A 20 ft high wall X amount of feet from the river and a 30 foot border patrol driving lane?
So let me see about 100ft from the river at the minimum plus another 100ft for wall and driving?
Yep, sounds good, let’s let the US government confiscate an acre of these rancher’s land for each 200 ft and tell them to F off and give them the false promise that we’ll pump water from the river for your cows. Yea ok, I trust ya.

Here’s another fact, the western state citizens are upset because most of their land was unclaimed when they became states and the US government took possession of it all. In some states like Nevada it is near 90% I think.

I’m not a Bundy supporter by any means but can somewhat understand his family legacy of using unowned land for grazing. But the fact is maybe your ancestors should have made a move to own that land.

Hey Mr Trump, good luck in taking all that land from private citizens here in south Texas.


21 posted on 02/11/2016 7:13:29 PM PST by Undecided 2012
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To: House Atreides

Disappointed in WSJ for so distorting this situation. Did they think the 96% would have settled, if not for the possibility of an eminent domain taking? How the mighty have fallen.


22 posted on 02/11/2016 7:15:36 PM PST by Albion Wilde (Who can actually defeat the Democrats in 2016? -- the most important thing about all candidates.)
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To: House Atreides

But if those deals were not reached with the property owners, eminent domain would have applied. Usually, a deal is reached with the property owner, which is what obviously happened. In the case of the 4% that don’t agree, eminent domain could apply. On a side note, property owners are typically paid several times the fair market value of their property. If I was offered 3 times the value of my property I wouldn’t hesitate.


23 posted on 02/11/2016 7:59:11 PM PST by mouse1
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To: jazusamo

A shame we can’t read the article without subscribing.>> i know used to be able to google the article and read it elsewhere but they fixed that me thinks bottom line aint worth reading crap from wsj murdock hit piece anywho


24 posted on 02/11/2016 8:39:34 PM PST by kvanbrunt2
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To: House Atreides

and the other 4% you need eminent domain to take the property for the whole pipeline to succeed. or no. and it is a private taking. the use may be public as every one maybe can use the pipeline. but the profit goes to private carriers. easements for telephone lines altho non-existent today went to private holders as did railway lines. it is a good conversation to have.


25 posted on 02/11/2016 8:44:31 PM PST by kvanbrunt2
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To: RginTN

Of course he does. His is only in favor of the constitution when it benefits him financially. The dude his whole life has worshiped $$$$ and is can never change. Just like he has been a democrat, both in practice and with contributions and can never change. He is no conservative.


26 posted on 02/11/2016 8:44:57 PM PST by biff
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To: Undecided 2012

Hey Mr Trump, good luck in taking all that land from private citizens here in south Texas.>>> im just joshing but what if he says he wont build the wall on your part cuz you dont want one. and maybe just joshing that you manage it? can you do that. i think you can and do already do just joshing.


27 posted on 02/11/2016 8:49:43 PM PST by kvanbrunt2
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To: digger48

wow trees fall by cutting them in certain ways


28 posted on 02/11/2016 8:51:50 PM PST by kvanbrunt2
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To: kvanbrunt2

Last I checked we have laws in self protection.


29 posted on 02/11/2016 9:04:52 PM PST by Undecided 2012
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To: House Atreides

“TransCanada has on rare occasion turned to eminent domain, a process that usually involves a panel of experts determining fair compensation.”

So then Trump was right? I’m confused. Why the misleading headline?


30 posted on 02/12/2016 12:27:58 AM PST by mbrfl
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To: mbrfl
With Eminent Domain Attack on Trump, Ted Cruz Walks Fine Line
31 posted on 02/12/2016 12:39:14 AM PST by jpsb (Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied. Otto von Bismark)
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To: jazusamo

Just googe the title and click in from there.


32 posted on 02/12/2016 12:46:00 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: jpsb

Thanks for the link. Very good article. There’s a lot of hypocrisy and misinformation being thrown around out there on this issue.


33 posted on 02/12/2016 1:16:15 AM PST by mbrfl
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To: RginTN
Trump is putting the Constitution last and his business first.

Wow this is really out of left field... Harvard Law Schooled lawyers are famous for subverting the Constitution. Trump will not live long enough to catch up with their handiwork.

34 posted on 02/12/2016 1:20:26 AM PST by Just mythoughts (Jesus said Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: RginTN
Trump is putting the Constitution last and his business first.

I know AlGore invented the Internet - I didn't realize Donald Trump invented Eminent Domain.

35 posted on 02/12/2016 4:01:37 AM PST by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: House Atreides

Here is a quote from the Ted Cruz Facebook webpage, bragging that he is a co-sponsor of the Keystone Pipeline. How can you be for building the Keystone Pipeline, but against eminent domain?


“Passing the Keystone pipeline is a good start, but we need a job-creating energy agenda, far broader. The energy revolution that is already underway can produce the jobs and opportunities that our country needs to grow. All the federal government needs to do is get out of the way and let Americans do what they do best: dream, innovate, and prosper.”

Sen Cruz Files Pro-Growth, Pro-Jobs Keystone XL Pipeline Amendments

U.S. Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, today introduced three pro-growth, pro-jobs amendments to S. 1, the Keystone XL Pipeline Act, of which Sen. Cruz is a cosponsor.

https://www.facebook.com/SenatorTedCruz/posts/676783042433999


36 posted on 02/12/2016 4:09:45 AM PST by r_barton (We the People of the United States...)
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To: r_barton

Yes, Ted Cruz was very pro XL Pipeline. Are you against it?


37 posted on 02/12/2016 7:07:29 AM PST by House Atreides (CRUZ or lose!)
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To: RginTN

“Trump is putting the Constitution last and his business first.”

Don’t expect Trump to choose constitutional judges.


38 posted on 02/12/2016 4:08:38 PM PST by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: House Atreides; All

Shame on Donald Trump for trying to claim that eminent domain is for PRIVATE business use.

Has he never read the Fifth Amendment, which states:

“....nor shall private property be taken for public use,....”

It does NOT say private property be taken for private use (such as taking a 75-year old widow’s property to use for Trump’s PRIVATE casino).

It says PUBLIC use.

Do we want Donald picking our judges?


39 posted on 02/12/2016 4:17:45 PM PST by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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