Posted on 02/05/2016 12:27:39 PM PST by SeekAndFind
MUSCATINE, Iowa -- Whether or not he was aware that it was not the same branch of Presbyterianism he claims to follow, Donald Trump obtained a lesson in "humility" during a reading at a "gay-affirming" Presbyterian USA congregation on Sunday, followed by a sermon from a woman pastor that included talk on welcoming refugees.
"We talked about humility in church today," Trump told reporters following the service at First Presbyterian Church of Muscatine (PCUSA), which he visited prior to a campaign rally in the city, just days before the Iowa Caucus. "I don't know if that was aimed at me. Perhaps." The reading was from 1 Corinthians 12, and was delivered by a female member of the congregation.
"I also want you to think about how this keeps your significance from getting blow up into self-importance. For no matter how significant you are, it is only because of what you are part of," she stated in speaking on the passage.
"Can you imagine eye telling hand, 'Get lost; I don't need you?' Or, head telling foot, 'You're fired; your job has been phased out?'" the woman said. Trump is known for his "You're fired" line on "The Apprentice."
''I heard that,'' Trump told reporters. ''I wondered if that was for me. They didn't even know I was coming, so I doubt it. But it's an appropriate phrase. … Perhaps she had something in mind."
"I have more humility than people think," he asserted.
Saturnia, also delivered a message during the service, during which she contended that "Syrian refugees and Mexican migrants" should be welcomed by the nation and not shut out.
''Jesus is teaching us today that he has come for those who are outside of the church,'' she said. "[T]hose who are the most unloved, the most discriminated against, the most forgotten in our community and in our world.''
Trump said that he heard Saturnia's words, but still believes that Syrians should be cared for in their own country.
"I can only tell you that I want to take care of all people but with Syrians, we just can't do it here. But I do want to build a safe zone [in Syria]," he stated. "We should have done that a long time ago."
In addition to listening to the messages, Trump joined in the singing of hymns as the woman next to him put her arm around him.
As previously reported, Trump has stated numerous times over the past year that he identifies as Presbyterian.
"I am a religious person. People are so shocked when they find this out--I'm Protestant. I'm Presbyterian," he said during the Iowa Family Leadership Summit last July, stating that his pastor was the late Norman Vincent Peale, who became known for his books and speeches on "the power of positive thinking."
Peale led Marble Collegiate Church in New York City, which is actually not Presbyterian, but according to its website is affiliated with the Reformed Church in America (RCA).
There are two groups of Presbyterians: the Presbyterian Church of America (PCA) and the Presbyterian Church USA (PCUSA). The PCA separated from PCUSA in the 1970's due to "opposition to the long-developing theological liberalism which denied the deity of Jesus Christ and the inerrancy and authority of Scripture."
As previously reported, last year, the leadership of PCUSA voted to redefine marriage and allow ministers to officiate same-sex ceremonies. PCUSA congregations are also generally pro-abortion.
PCA as a denomination affirms the biblical definition of marriage and the sanctity of human life.
Look into Joel’s Army & Latter Day Rain. See how they plan to deal with those they deem ‘’not Christian enough’’. (Sound/ feel familiar?)
(Is this is why Cruz isn’t workin on Florida? It’s covered?)
bray is so right. Pray America wakes. (PDQ- my add)
ps. It’s not did you go to church the most. It’s do you go to THEIR church?
I see you’re from California. Figures.
What is your point?
Perhaps like the protagonist of David Mamet’s play “November,” once he’s president he’ll be forced to marry two lesbians on national tv!
PCUSA?!???! That does it for me! NO MORE SUPPORT here for Mr. Trump!
PCUSA was once a respectable Christian denomination. No longer. Its been taken over by pro-IslamoNazi terroristas. IMHO, PCUSA now serves Satan, not the one true God...
and, again in my opinion,
Any good Presbyterian who is still a member of this terrorist-supporting so-called (former) “church” should immediately transfer their membership to a legitimate Presbyterian or other genuinely Christian congregation NOT affiliated with PCUSA or Muslim terrorist organizations! Please consider this, if this means you. Please! You’re in the wrong place, PCUSA has been captured by The Enemy. (If this sounds strange to you, please just do a FreeRepublic or web-search...this is for real and you need to know, I am not attacking a good Christian church and I am not attacking you! see, for starters, the FR link below but there are thousands of them online too, thanks).. Thank you!
www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3235588/posts
I bet the wife in that church is there for the social interaction with other ladies, right?
You speak passionately, but you can’t tell a PCUSA person a darned thing. They already know it all.
I have attended PCUSA church meetings when they were “discussing” their pro-IslamoNazi terrorist “position statements” and advocacy. They say that Muslims “infiltrated” a couple of denominational policy committees or councils to get the pro-terroristas statements passed and that the church’s internal method of decision-taking is very flawed so that it has proven extremely difficult to get the bad resolutions rescinded.
Several PCUSA church people I’ve known have gone to other Presbyterian congregations that still preach a recognizably Biblical message (there ARE Presby churches NOT affiliated with PCUSA, thank God! I will let someone else with more knowledge post the contact information for these still-Christian churches...... )
LOL! He sure is.
Sounds like your cousin needs to put on the pants in the family for once.
The husband is the spiritual head of a Christian family, not the woman.
Oh boy, we have a live one here....
I need a young priest and an old priest!! The power of
Christ compels you!
[PCUSA?!???! That does it for me! NO MORE SUPPORT here for Mr. Trump!
PCUSA was once a respectable Christian denomination. No longer. Its been taken over by pro-IslamoNazi terroristas. IMHO, PCUSA now serves Satan, not the one true God...
and, again in my opinion,
Any good Presbyterian who is still a member of this terrorist-supporting so-called (former) “church†should immediately transfer their membership to a legitimate Presbyterian or other genuinely Christian congregation NOT affiliated with PCUSA or Muslim terrorist organizations! Please consider this, if this means you. Please! You’re in the wrong place, PCUSA has been captured by The Enemy. (If this sounds strange to you, please just do a FreeRepublic or web-search...this is for real and you need to know, I am not attacking a good Christian church and I am not attacking you! see, for starters, the FR link below but there are thousands of them online too, thanks).. Thank you!
www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3235588/posts]
[Any good Presbyterian who is still a member of this terrorist-supporting so-called (former) “church†should immediately transfer their membership to a legitimate Presbyterian or other genuinely Christian congregation ]
Who’s to say Trump is even a member??? He went to a church service, probably one of the only in the area of Iowa he was.
Seriously, calm the F-— down!!!
She got it right.
Speaking of Margaret Thatcher, I recently read that she was seriously p.o.’d when Reagan invaded Grenada without telling her beforehand, since Grenada was a member of the Commonwealth and still at least nominally had Queen Elizabeth as head of state.
Ha! No, this “live one” is signing off this thread, I’m just kicking myself because I did not realize Mr. Trump was attending PCUSA. It has definitely abandoned anything recognizably Biblical and is preaching ‘another gospel’ these days. I will not support any candidate who belongs to a pro-terrorist outfit, no matter that it still dares call itself a ‘church’....
ObozomustGo2016! (no Hillary, no members of pro-terrorist organizations either!)
I am calmed down. I am off this thread.
Do you think maybe he’s NOT a member of that outfit?
If so, GOOOOOOD!
I will be quiet and let other folks who may know more about his status ....take over this thread.
Thanks for the clarification!
You weren’t even for Trump to begin with so save your fake outrage for people who would actually fall for it.
Now THAT’s not fair!
I did not commit to Mr Trump but I did not oppose him and I have many good things to say about him. He is a very accomplished man. I have not committed to any one candidate at this stage, but while it is fair to say “I wasn’t for Trump to begin with” ...it is NOT fair to say my “outrage” was “fake”
If Mr. Trump IS a member of that “church” with the pro-terrorist resolutions..... I was...and AM outraged... We’ve had a pro-Islamonazi terrorista in the WH already. We don’t need another. BUT as you say, maybe Mr. Trump is not a member then I am relieved, and will try again to sign off this thread. Hopefully, someone with more knowledge about his memberships will find it possible to illuminate this topic for us. Best, fhc
Hi again!
For whatever it may be worth, it appears Donald Trump may not be a member of PCUSA? Here is a web article about it...
(and now I really DO plan to check off this thread, because it does not appear Donald is in PCUSA and this link, if accurate of course, clarifies that question for us....)
thanks.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/donald-trump-church-member
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