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6 Reasons I Tell My Kids Not to Talk to Police(Uh, WHAT?)
pjmedia.com ^ | 1/22/2016 | Megan Fox

Posted on 01/24/2016 6:46:26 AM PST by rktman

Let me say up front that I know this will be unpopular. But I can't help the uneasiness that I feel toward law enforcement lately...and I have some good reasons. Gone are the days of Officer Friendly, the neighborhood cop who knows everyone and is looking out for the community's best interest. It seems that lately, police officers end up terrorizing those they are supposed to be serving and protecting. Clearly, not all police are acting this way, but it sure seems the police state is ramping up. I have a high respect for police officers who respect the law. The rest of them, though...they scare me. Here are some reasons I don't want my kids talking to the police:

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: badcopnodonut; donutwatch; jackbooted; jackboots; jbt; police; waytogomom
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To: rktman

I don’t doubt there are abuses, but I guess I have been fortunate not to have experienced them. One of my parents’ ironclad rules when I was growing up was to be respectful and obedient to police, and it has always served me well. I greet them politely, do what they tell me, and we get along fine. (I would note that I have refined my parents’ rule to read: Always be polite to someone better armed than you!) Take it for what it is worth, but I have found that MY attitude and demeanor in approaching anyone, cops included, can make or break the experience. So I treat people respectfully, and it is almost always reciprocated.


21 posted on 01/24/2016 7:19:08 AM PST by Wheelman81
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To: rktman

We have excellent law enforcement here in Utah; never had any problems. Like most, I’m a huge supporter of the brave men and women and the good work they do. This being said, one thing I would never do under any circumstances is to allow police to search my vehicle. If they want to search my vehicle, they’ll have to get a warrant. If they feel they need to search your vehicle, the onus is on them to go through the hoops to make it happen...NOT US!


22 posted on 01/24/2016 7:21:14 AM PST by Artcore
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To: rktman
The reality for most law-abiding folks is that a police cruiser behind you, tailgating while running your license plates, rarely leads to a pleasant interaction.
They will stop you because they say you are driving too fast, or too slow, or weaving in your lane, or not maintaining steady speed...or whatever...all fabricated.

Police need to find a way to win back being "the good guys" in fresh new ways.
They are feared by many and viewed as roadside tax / penalty collectors by most.
C'mon folks in blue, you can do better.


23 posted on 01/24/2016 7:22:31 AM PST by Blue Jays (Rock Hard, Ride Free)
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To: Principled

Until they purge the Koran they will always have shariah adherents. Yes, I understand what I have said.


24 posted on 01/24/2016 7:24:04 AM PST by freedomjusticeruleoflaw (Western Civilization- whisper the words, and it will disappear. So let us talk now about rebirth.)
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel

You can’t assert your 4th amendment rights and then start talking. The law presumes talking as a waiver.


25 posted on 01/24/2016 7:25:42 AM PST by freedomjusticeruleoflaw (Western Civilization- whisper the words, and it will disappear. So let us talk now about rebirth.)
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To: Elderberry; rktman; don-o
As homeschoolers, our kids were in a lot of ways "free range" in that they played outside and walked all over town without supervision. Our kids carried a card I designed, saying "I am a home-schooler. I am walking to or from an educational activity. I am not truant. For more information, see (address)."

Though this is not a small town, in some ways our neighorhood had a small-town atmosphere, and most of the cops knew us (or knew about us), and they were cool. However, over the years more than once a cop came to the door looking into possible truant-ism. We would talk briefly, and we'd be OK.

So no personal robo-cop horror stories here.

However, we were careful NEVER to go beyond the required few comments ("No, he's not truant," blah blah.) We talked to them on the front steps and NEVER let them into our house.

You never do that. Never let them in your house, never allow in the Child Protection Unit or any agent of the "social services." You inform them politely that you know they need a warrant, and you call the Home School Legal Defense Assn (HSLDA) LINK on your cell-phone speed dial and tell the cop or agent in question that they can talk to your lawyer.

Otherwise, Child Protective Services can proactively take your kids away, shove them into foster care, walk all over you, and make your life hell for years.

It happens. Not to us, but it happens.

26 posted on 01/24/2016 7:26:26 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Just the facts, ma'am, just the facts.)
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To: Artcore

Roger that. But, once the warrant is obtained (how long have you been by the side of the road waiting?) is “something” found that can escalate the encounter? And you know damned well that there was nothing in the vehicle.


27 posted on 01/24/2016 7:27:03 AM PST by rktman (Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?!)
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To: rktman

all you have to do is remember a few items (that are guaranteed to you under the constitution)..

never tell the police anything...

always have a witness in the room when you are speaking to them...

always request an attorney...

never believe what they tell you...


28 posted on 01/24/2016 7:27:26 AM PST by joe fonebone (gay people do not bother me.... fags do...)
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To: ChildOfThe60s

Had cops come to my house once. I cracked open the door and they asked if I could step outside to talk. When I asked why, they said for officer safety. My response was that if they didn’t feel safe, they should leave. Ten told them if they didn’t have either a search warrant or an arrest warrant, to get off my property or I would call the state police to have them arrested for trespassing. They left.


29 posted on 01/24/2016 7:28:43 AM PST by SeaHawkFan
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To: Wheelman81

So... Only the strong, assertive types should assert their rights? The sheep should just be nice and hope for the best? I’ll be a belligerent claimant thank you very much. Such men gave you the 4th amendment in the first place.


30 posted on 01/24/2016 7:29:15 AM PST by freedomjusticeruleoflaw (Western Civilization- whisper the words, and it will disappear. So let us talk now about rebirth.)
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To: joe fonebone

LOL! Odd how ANYTHING you say can and will be used against you in a court of law. All manner of interpretation.


31 posted on 01/24/2016 7:30:19 AM PST by rktman (Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?!)
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To: rktman

When seizing property for monetary gain for the police department becomes a priority over real law enforcement, then I agree. In my area anyway, revenue enhancement seems to have become a higher priority than the typical ‘protect and serve’ ideal.

http://www.daily-times.com/story/news/local/four-corners/2016/01/20/forfeiture-law-creates-issues-police-state/79068402/


32 posted on 01/24/2016 7:30:54 AM PST by redcatcherb412
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To: ez
My son's gf called them because they had a fight and he would not give her cell phone back until she calmed down.

That was a very bad decision on his part. Obstruction of emergency communication is taken as evidence of guilt.

33 posted on 01/24/2016 7:42:56 AM PST by iowamark (I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy)
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To: rktman

Her reasoning is not very good,


34 posted on 01/24/2016 7:45:10 AM PST by discostu (This is a different kind of flying... all together.)
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To: rktman

Oops, early morning. Her reasoning is not very good, but her destination is sound. The police are not on your side, you should not talk to them unless you have to, and at all times during that conversation you should keep in mind that they think you’re the enemy and you’re one wrong sentence from getting arrested.


35 posted on 01/24/2016 7:46:17 AM PST by discostu (This is a different kind of flying... all together.)
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To: rktman

The article title is correct.

I tell my kids that the job of a police officer when they stop you is to arrest and convict you. Therefore, you be polite, but you keep your mouth shut. You say, I want to speak to my Dad etc.

IT’s all well and good for people to support our police, but I’ve was stopped a few times in my youth by one of these shorter than me County cops who have the small man complex.

You need to be really leary of this type.


36 posted on 01/24/2016 7:47:54 AM PST by nikos1121 (December 25, 2016 will be the merriest Christmas of all for me.)
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To: rktman

Roger that. But, once the warrant is obtained (how long have you been by the side of the road waiting?) is “something” found that can escalate the encounter? And you know damned well that there was nothing in the vehicle.

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Yeah, that’s definitely in the realm of possibility. I tend to think that if they really don’t have cause/suspicion to search your vehicle, they’ll more than likely just tell you “okay, have a good night.”

I think with most law enforcement (there are exceptions!), a little courtesy and respect go a long way. I’m not saying we have to be boot lickers, but just common courtesy and respect. I’ve avoided at least 2 tickets by doing this.


37 posted on 01/24/2016 7:47:57 AM PST by Artcore
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To: rktman

Why do so many conservatives believe unions are bad; unless they’re police unions? And people who believe “the government can’t do anything right”, believe the police are nearly infallible. The police are the government, “in the flesh.


38 posted on 01/24/2016 7:52:33 AM PST by ozarker
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To: rktman

Next time your child is injured in a traffic accident, and the cop asks if they are hurt and need an ambulance, make sure they don’t talk to the cops.

Idiots


39 posted on 01/24/2016 8:02:59 AM PST by The All Knowing All Seeing Oz (I carry a handgun because even a small police officer is too big and heavy to carry.)
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To: Artcore

Well, this post certainly created a lot of varying views on how folks perceive the local gendarmes.


40 posted on 01/24/2016 8:03:33 AM PST by rktman (Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?!)
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