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Let's Put an End to this Birther Nonsense about Ted Cruz
Red State ^ | January 19, 2016 | Jake from Red State

Posted on 01/19/2016 8:55:20 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife

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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Anyone who calls people concerned about candidates or sitting presidents actually having the qualifications in the matter of eligibility is an enemy of the Constitution and therefore the American people.


121 posted on 01/20/2016 8:29:45 AM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue Ht the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: shelterguy; VideoDoctor

Other people were given the evidence as well. I am sure that the truth will come out. Trump has hinted at this quite broadly a number of times and keep in mind at his first rally in Pheonix he appeared with and was introduced by Arpaio and they said they had been working together. Whatever Arpaio knows, Trump knows. No doubt about it.


122 posted on 01/20/2016 8:31:55 AM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue Ht the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: little jeremiah

Huh?


123 posted on 01/20/2016 8:50:28 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: TheCipher
Got it! You're right.. so am I.

No offense taken by me Cipher.

124 posted on 01/20/2016 8:51:53 AM PST by VideoDoctor
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To: jpsb

Ann Coulter said words to the effect of, whether or not you believe Ted Cruz is a NBC depends on whether or not you support him for President! That about sums it up.

With all the disagreements, the numerous articles and quotes, etc., clearly the issue is not cut-and-dried and needs to be settled once and for all.


125 posted on 01/20/2016 9:10:54 AM PST by Nea Wood
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To: VideoDoctor

None taken here either.


126 posted on 01/20/2016 9:22:00 AM PST by TheCipher (Suppose you were an idiot and suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself. Mark Twain)
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To: Yashcheritsiy; Cincinatus' Wife; MinuteGal; LucyT

Another Cruizing BOT trying to FOOL you, Mr. Jake from Red State, with his own unconstitutional agenda. Simple as can be, the Three Legged Stool is required in Ted’s case, and he’s NOT able to sit on it, being an Anchor Baby made in Canada!!!


127 posted on 01/20/2016 9:47:57 AM PST by danamco
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I left out the word “birther” by mistake. Should read:

Anyone who calls people who are concerned about candidates or sitting presidents actually having the qualifications in the matter of eligibility “birthers”. is an enemy of the Constitution and therefore the American people.


128 posted on 01/20/2016 9:50:15 AM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue Ht the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Sun

A naturalized citizen is naturalized by virtue of a law or statute. Ted Cruz cannot have had US citizenship at all through his mothers citizenship IF a law had not been passed so that IF they met certain STATUTORY REQUIREMENTS he would be issued a FS-240. A CRBA. Have you seen your CRBA?

By the way, Cruz has not released his CRBA yet. A lot of people wonder why.


129 posted on 01/20/2016 10:52:25 AM PST by Ladysforest
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To: Ladysforest

Across the bottom of a pre-2011 CRBA is printed the following:

A Consular report of Birth is proof of United States citizenship by law: 22 USC 2706.

By law.


130 posted on 01/20/2016 11:12:30 AM PST by Ladysforest
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To: Nea Wood

I did like Cruz in the beginning but because I know he is not a natural born citizen, that made me distrust him since he being a constitutional lawyer and all, knows that, and still ran. Now I’ve looked into him a lot more, there is a lot more there that is definitely abhorrent.


131 posted on 01/20/2016 12:35:21 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue Ht the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Ladysforest

It is very weird he has not released it. I can only assume that the most likely reason is that his mother did not get one for him. There are rumors his mother had taken Canadian citizenship along with Cruz’ father. I wonder if this is factual and if so, would Cruz have any US citizenship of any kind.


132 posted on 01/20/2016 12:36:47 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue Ht the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: little jeremiah

All Ted Cruz needs to do is proceed to get a judgment from the court and put the issue to rest.

Question is, will he? Or will he just take a chance if he ends up being the nominee that the DEMS won’t file a suit for the decision?

I hope Cruz is smart enough to at least get a judgment and put it to rest.


133 posted on 01/20/2016 2:12:49 PM PST by seekthetruth (Still praying for a Commander In Chief who honors and supports our Military!)
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To: little jeremiah

He released his Canadian birth certificate. He released his mothers birth certificate. He released his renunciation document. The only thing he has not released is his CRBA.

So, his campaign used ambiguous reference to mother Cruz applying for it at the consulate. Not when though. Was Ted a baby? Was Ted a teen?

It isn’t out of bounds to consider that both of Teds parents MAY have applied for Canadian citizenship at the same time, as in,together. They were married and had a family, child born right there in Canada. They had a business based in Canada. They lived in Canada quite a few years. Father Cruzs’ Canadian citizenship came through in 1973 I am told. He ditched mother Cruz and young Ted and trotted back to the USA for a year. Mother Cruz STAYED BEHIND. I have wondered why she would stay? Alone and expat with a young child in a country which borders her home country. Anyway, I don’t do conspiracies, but it is an interesting question from a human interest angle.

I don’t think I have heard mother Cruz has come out and stated that she never naturalized to Canada. I don’t even know if there is a claim floating around that she did so. Only that Cruz insists she didn’t.


134 posted on 01/20/2016 2:27:15 PM PST by Ladysforest
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To: seekthetruth

If he refuses, to me that says he figures the ruling would be against him.


135 posted on 01/20/2016 2:51:41 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue Ht the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Ladysforest

I read some quote from Cruz’ father (dang I wish I knew where), sometime in the last week or so, that he and his wife became Canadian citizens.


136 posted on 01/20/2016 2:53:06 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue Ht the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: little jeremiah

I read that OTHER people have claimed that Teds father said that. I have never found a source which directly quotes father Cruz saying it.


137 posted on 01/20/2016 3:07:00 PM PST by Ladysforest
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To: Ladysforest

NPR quotes him as saying he became a Canadian citizen. No mention of when he did so or if the wife did.

http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2013/06/20/193585553/how-ted-cruzs-father-shaped-his-views-on-immigration


138 posted on 01/20/2016 3:14:36 PM PST by Ray76
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To: Ladysforest

I’ve read it as a direct quote with quotation marks around it. I’ll see if I can dig it up.

I wish I wasn’t so obsessive.


139 posted on 01/20/2016 3:29:57 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue Ht the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Cboldt; wintertime; Cincinatus' Wife; LucyT
Now, your first reaction is probably wonder. We don't need to have a case that says what NBC "is," we can use a case that says what NBC "isn't," if the circumstances of Cruz birth fits the pattern of that case.

And there is a case that nearly exactly fits Cruz's condition. Child born abroad of one citizen parent, where the citizen parent met all the conditions prescribed in a Act of Congress, and the child was made a citizen, at birth, solely by the operation of an Act of Congress.

This (and the fact that Cruz is not NBC) is settled law, and those who stridently hold otherwise, who know the Bellei case, are guilty of misleading a gullible public.

I don't know if you are one of those people, but my spidey senses say you are.

What exactly do you think Bellei has to do with the Article II Sec. 1 issue? The correct answer is nothing.

It is a straight citizenship statutory decision and under the applicable statute, the plaintiff was held to have lost his citizenship under the language of the specific statute because he failed to meet the specific residency period test. Nothing to do with the Natural Born Citizen question; nothing to do with Article II, Sec. 1.

Not even language that might give you a suggestion as to how the Court would come down on the Constitutional question if it ever got there.

My two earlier posts are precisely correct--there is no Supreme Court authority that has anything to do with the question presented here.

My guess, and it is only a guess, is that if Cruz could get the issue to the Court before the decision would conclusively answer an election result is that the Court would be likely to hold him eligible. But that's only speculative guess.

I don't think at this stage he can effectively campaign for the nomination and at the same time organize and fund a Supreme Court appeal on the Natural Born Citizen issue.

I also think that if he gets to the Convention under circumstances where Trump is no longer a candidate, the party will deny him the nomination which I presume would effectively exclude him from the election process.

140 posted on 01/20/2016 3:54:18 PM PST by David
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