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Horowitz: It's Beyond Time For A Cold-Eyed Look At Trump's Record
Conservative Review ^ | January 13th, 2016 | Daniel Horowitz

Posted on 01/13/2016 1:23:05 PM PST by Isara

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To: TheTimeOfMan

“Your line about “greatest outsider” is a weak strawman attack. I merely pointed out to you that accusing Cruz of being an insider is inaccurate at best.””

It isnt a strawman. Isn’t that part of the myth of Cruz that is being shopped around? That he is the ultimate outsider?

You are in the Senate = you are on the inside.

“If you think that Cruz should have been able to somehow ram through bills in opposition to almost all the other members - well that’s kind of unreasonable don’t you think?”

Well if he cant get ANYTHING of major substance through, then why is he running for president? He still has to work with these people if he wins. And God knows if the GOP loses one or both houses. Then he is a lame duck.

We mocked Obama and Hillary for having similar thin records and accused them of running for the Senate just to skip out and run for president, but for Cruz, apparently it’s a plus.


61 posted on 01/13/2016 2:34:32 PM PST by VanDeKoik
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To: SoConPubbie

‘SoConPubbie’ - Pubbie is right: Party over America!

I prefer to put my country over my party, especially the eGOP as you do.


62 posted on 01/13/2016 2:41:13 PM PST by CodeToad (Islam should be banned and treated as a criminal enterprise!)
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To: Will88
I go by what they've said since announcing ...

The single greatest predictor of a man's future behavior is his past behavior. Men do in the future what they did in the past. This is commonsense. To discard Trump's history from judgment because of some arbitrary date is willful ignorance. And it's an invitation to disaster. As sure as the day is long, Trump will revert to form ... and then what?

63 posted on 01/13/2016 2:43:24 PM PST by AHerald ("Do not fear, only believe." - Mark 5:36)
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To: demshateGod; hoosiermama; b9; Amntn; DoughtyOne; entropy12; HarleyLady27; GilGil; onyx; ...

Conservatives are going with “stronger and bolder” over “conservative” (since the “conservative” label is now stolen by the GOPE).

You will not get traditional conservative outcomes ever again without establishing “stronger and bolder”, first. TRUMP evangelical supporters seem to get that simple basic fact.

Cruz is no TRUMP, when it comes to strength and boldness. Evangelical voters seem to get that simple basic fact, also.

Even in IOWA, the vaunted Cruz firewall crumbles to the demands of the people for kick ass conservatism that restores freedom from regulation, jobs and industry and is hell bent on building a big, beautiful wall to stop COLD the foreign fighters, and South American anchor baby parents, and socialist invasion.

CRUZ is crickets, unconvincing, or ambiguous, and certainly DOA on all these kill-stops that have stolen our wealth, our traditions, our American patriotism and our security.

Nothing happens until a FORCE arrives to make it happen!

His name is “TRUMP”, and he is here. Cruz ain’t cutting it beyond evangelicals, and nationally TRUMP takes under half of those.

Evangelicals are not required to be pacifists on the border, or reward these b@4+@rd$ with “paths to legalization”, or play footsie with increasing foreign high skilled workers in here to take jobs from American graduates. Cruz needs to clean up the ambiguity, or ditch the videos of him speaking for these things.


64 posted on 01/13/2016 2:43:42 PM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming)
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To: Isara

That’s okay. I’m voting for the man that transcends party affiliation and a recent convert to conservatism.


65 posted on 01/13/2016 2:46:35 PM PST by Fhios (Change isn't always good. Just look at the Dinosuars.)
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To: patq

“What was Trump’s vote on the Dream Act?”

Good question Trump voted with his money to democrats who came up with the dream act, he donated to the CLinton Foundation which pushed amnesty for illegals.

Trump is an opportunist who is misleading people unfamiliar with his record.


66 posted on 01/13/2016 2:48:38 PM PST by Leto
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To: inpajamas
Trump is a con man - not real. He is not a conservative, but he does play one on TV - at least until after he is elected.

True of Rubio too, except Trump is a leader while Rubio is a puppet. If the establishment succeeds in taking out Trump it's going to be Rubio. For the general election Cruz would certainly have a loyal conservative base but very little appeal outside it.

67 posted on 01/13/2016 2:54:59 PM PST by Reeses (A journey of a thousand miles begins with a government pat down.)
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To: CodeToad
I prefer to put my country over my party, especially the eGOP as you do.

Once again, unqualified B.S. from a Trump fan boy.
68 posted on 01/13/2016 2:56:35 PM PST by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: Isara

69 posted on 01/13/2016 2:59:24 PM PST by Slyfox (Ted Cruz does not need the presidency - the presidency needs Ted Cruz)
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To: Isara

He we go again. More pontificating from the armchair prep school pundits. Horowitz can get in the line for the little boys room behind Bill Kristol and Johan Goldberg.


70 posted on 01/13/2016 3:00:13 PM PST by AdaGray
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To: AHerald
The single greatest predictor of a man's future behavior is his past behavior.

So, Cruz would be in the tank for massive legal immigration and any trade deal the big donors desire.

No thanks.

71 posted on 01/13/2016 3:07:01 PM PST by Will88
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To: Will88

Accountability is shape-shifting situational standard for you, so it seems. Trump is not accountable for his past actions but his challengers are.


72 posted on 01/13/2016 3:17:10 PM PST by AHerald ("Do not fear, only believe." - Mark 5:36)
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To: freds6girlies
This reminds me of when we in California had the chance after getting Grey Davis out of the Governors seat. There was the front runner Tom McClintock. Smart, conservative. Until Schwarzenegger dropped into the race.

Yep. I remember the great Arnold Ilk Herd that used to roam around FreeRepublic. The star struck didn't listen then, and they won't listen now.

Trump is what "hopey-changey" wishful thinking looks like from the Right. Just like Arnold was.

73 posted on 01/13/2016 3:21:51 PM PST by LexBaird (Tyrannosaurus Lex, unapologetic carnivore)
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To: AdaGray
More pontificating from the armchair prep school pundits. Horowitz can get in the line for the little boys room behind Bill Kristol and Johan Goldberg.

How's about you actually respond to the arguments cited against Trump in the article instead of merely dismissing his critics as petulant children? ... Oh, and Trump went to NYMA, which is, you know, a prep school.

74 posted on 01/13/2016 3:30:19 PM PST by AHerald ("Do not fear, only believe." - Mark 5:36)
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To: VanDeKoik

You are the only person using the word ultimate. That Cruz is an outsider cannot be cogently argued.

Thinking he could get anything passed in the Senate by himself is irrational.

Cruz was the AG for Texas and is now a senator. He has a track record. He is in my opinion highly articulate and intelligent. It is enough of a track record for me. Obama’s lack of experience was never the main issue for me - it was his entire track record which screamed radical, leftist, muslim, homo. Quite a combination.

Trump also has a track record. And much of it would indicate that, contrary to his recent conversion, he is left of center. That should concern anyone on this forum.

Why do you support Trump?


75 posted on 01/13/2016 3:38:41 PM PST by TheTimeOfMan (Cruz / West 2016)
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To: TheTimeOfMan
And much of it would indicate that, contrary to his recent conversion, he is left of center. That should concern anyone on this forum.

And how do you explain that conversion?

76 posted on 01/13/2016 3:40:34 PM PST by papertyger (-/\/\/\-)
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To: Isara

It’s Beyond Time For A Cold-Eyed Look At Trump’s Record

Why? For those not supporting him, they’re well aware of his record, and for his followers they don’t give a damn about what he’s said or done in the past. Only what he’s saying today (even if it is different from what he said yesterday) is relevant.


77 posted on 01/13/2016 3:41:30 PM PST by Reaper19
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To: Isara

The anti Trump hysteria is building to a fevered pitch. You can smell the fear.


78 posted on 01/13/2016 3:44:24 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: AHerald
How's about you actually respond to the arguments cited against Trump in the article instead of merely dismissing his critics as petulant children?

It's rather frustrating to respond to these arguments when the questioners simply ignore those responses, and ask the same question of another supporter.

It's "reverse push-polling," and we know it.

79 posted on 01/13/2016 3:47:23 PM PST by papertyger (-/\/\/\-)
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To: RitaOK

Trump makes it clear hats to win Iowa.

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3383365/posts


80 posted on 01/13/2016 4:01:43 PM PST by GilGil
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