Posted on 01/11/2016 4:04:07 AM PST by rootin tootin
On Friday, the President vetoed H.R.3762, which would have repealed the worst provisions of Obamacare. This was not a surprise. Nor was it, as the its apologists claim, an indication that the fight is over. As House Speaker Paul Ryan put it, The idea that Obamacare is the law of the land for good is a myth. This law will collapse under its own weight, or it will be repealed. Its just a matter of time. Only one vote, the Obama veto, saved it this time. If he is replaced by a Republican next January, the Affordable Care Act will go shortly thereafter.
Advocates of Obamacare scoff at the suggestion that it will ever be repealed. These people would do well to remember that the supporters of the 18th Amendment (Prohibition) had a similarly smug attitude. Democrat Senator Morris Sheppard, who was instrumental in imposing Prohibition on the nation, provided a cautionary lesson about such hubris in 1930: There is as much chance of repealing the 18th Amendment as there is for a humming bird to fly to Mars with the Washington Monument tied to its tail. Prohibition was repealed in 1933.
(Excerpt) Read more at spectator.org ...
Have we found this hummingbird yet amongst the Mars photos?
As long as Ryan and the RINO majority are convinced that tthe votes are not there for an override of a veto, Ryan and his fellow obama lap dogs will continue to ‘fight’ but if the votes are ever there, they will cave like a boehner.
Thanks rootin tootin.
Actually the big story here is Ryan carrying K Street’s water by helping the Dems “fix” Obamacare with the Cadillac plan delay and medicial device tax suspension.
We need to face the reality that the donor class loves socialized medicine and the GOPe is doing their bidding.
What a disaster President Trainwreck is!
After the omnibus bill Ryan needs to boost his poll numbers, so the whole thing was scripted kabuki theater. He knew it would get vetoed and no override.
With all the negative vibes from his home state, he’s only worried about reelection.
‘If he is replaced by a Republican next January, the Affordable Care Act will go shortly thereafter.
One shouldn’t hold their breath on that. Don’t be surprised if the pubbies in Congress have a “just can we all get along” attitude.
So many problems with the law its crazy. A law like this should put the democrats out of power for generations. Too bad the alternative party can’t get it right either.
To list just a few of the practical problems, not to mention the philosophical and constitutional issues 1) unintended (?) consequence is the loss of high paying jobs and the dropping of employer subsidied coverage - with many service industries switching to part time to avoid the 30 hour threshold , 2) middle class gets soaked with insane jump in premiums and unaffordable deductibles 3) those who are sick can sign up and cram a years worth of exams and treatments into one month, then stop paying the premium for 11 months then enroll again the following year, 4) enrollment period is short and yet there are many loopholes to allow people to sign up late when they find out they need treatment (and then, stop paying premiums), 5) dropping of catastrophic insurance forcing the young who are having hard time finding good paying jobs to again subsidize the old. This last one gets almost no play but the young are now paying for social security, Medicare and private insurance ... None of which can survive their generation, not to mention the $1 trillion a year in new debt which they and their kids will have to figure out how to pay. And the way they are being trained politically they will probably default on the debt in some way when they get power if they don’t fix it now.
How anyone, especially the young, can vote Democratic is beyond me. They are being screwed and I hope they can figure a way out of it. The ACA was designed to shovel massive profits to the insurance industry, and yet they are led to believe its a social obligation and a public good. It fails mainly because of how its structured to oblige citizens to pay “taxes” to private enterprise which cannot be enforced and has many loopholes. I would not be surprised to see the left push to scrap Obamacare for single payor, which is why the GOP has to keep pushing to repeal it. That forces the left to defend it lest they be perceived as agreeing with the GOP and they don’t want to reopen the debate of the merits.
As someone said earlier, the way for Obama to really screw Ryan and McConnell would have been for him to sign the repeal bill.
I can already see the coming collapse. It’s going to be really, really ugly, and the chances we wind up with nationalization (whoever wins in 2016) are very high.
you have correctly stated the dogma and used the word kabuki
“young, can vote Democratic is beyond me. They are being screwed and I hope they can figure a way out of it. The ACA was designed to shovel massive profits to the insurance industory...”
They vote Democrat because the Democrats have an answer. The ACA WAS designed to shovel massive profits to the insurance industry - before collapsing it for good.
If Trump made me Secretary of HHS and asked for a plan to replace Obamacare with something else, I’m not sure I could devise a plan.
The “system” is that far gone. I don’t believe it’s coming back
“I would not be surprised to see the left push to scrap Obamacare for single payor, which is why the GOP has to keep pushing to repeal it. “
Those two things are not mutually exclusive. Single payer is by far the most probable replacement - by 2018 the Republicans who aren’t begging for it already will be doing so.
Of course he knew it would be vetoed. I think he was trying to make up for lost time. The GOP was swept into office basically on the anti-Obamacare wave. The people who voted them in wanted action, but Boehner and the GOP did nothing - nothing! - to show gratitude or push the agenda. This is why Trump and Cruz lead in the polls. Ryan is trying to salvage some goodwill but its too late. They had 5 years to show they were deserving of the votes and blew it. They could have put a repeal bill on his desk 5 times, expecting a veto 5 times, and at least that would have showed some gratitude to those who supported them. These ingrates failed.
I don’t want to admit you are right but I fear you are. It is that far gone. I don’t want to give up hope but we have a poltical system of by and for the politicians and bureaucrats. Some 20% of all jobs are government jobs, and when you add in the jobs of businesses that do at least some government contracting its far worse. It’s unsustainable. I still hope for a leader who can sell a sea change. We are a great country and the people are the greatest asset I believe they can rise and do the right thing.
Why not just make the insurance companies live up to their policies- they have made money on a product they never intended to support
When they scream, make them pay - then offer movable products that are based on reality.
Free market the insurance will take couple years but will be less painful than single payer.
I would start with catasthropic insurance for the big items, and pay as you go for the rest
I agree they are not mutually exclusive but the politics of it is more problematic if you put the dems on the defense. They will have a hard time reconciling support for repeal and will suffer an ‘I told you so’ humiliation come election season. If the choice for voters attention is to do something or do nothing they opt for something, without acknowledging the consequences. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. The problem could have been addressed in smaller bites but the dems had a lock on congress. GOP does need to sell a positive replacement now. I want it repealed but I think that’s a hard sell. It would be easier to sell a replacement. Single payor is the easy choice yet with the boomers going to Medicare they have no incentive to change and represent a huge block of votes and money.. I predict a 2 tier system with private insurance alongside an open to all Medicare system but it will be called elitist and would ultimately result in 2 healthcare systems a public HMO and a private PPO.
Because they're insolvent and are going to disappear.
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