Molôn Labé! ‘Talk’ of Gun Confiscation reference

Reference | 1/5/2016

[Torcert]

It used to be that the gun grabbers desperately attempted to keep a thin veneer of plausible deniability on their ultimate goal of Confiscation. After all, you can’t very well sucker people into the government controlling their private property with Intergalactic Background Checks and registration if it’s known that those are but a pretext for confiscation later on.

But now out of frustration at the lack of ‘progress’ in destroying out rights they have dropped the mask and are now calling for full on repeal of the second amendment, gun bans and outright confiscation. To be sure they still try to pretend this is not the case and hence the reason for this reference piece.

The purpose here is to document the myriad times them have called for gun confiscation so that when they turn around and LIE about it, We have the FACTS to prove they are Lying.

Such as in this case: Obama Mocks Gun Owners http://nation.foxnews.com/president-obama/2013/04/04/obama-mocks-gun-owners

For example, Comrade Clinton recently called for the government to make people an offer they can’t refuse-turn over their means of self-defense in exchange for their own money OR spend some time in the pokey.

In response to an inquiry about Australian gun confiscation, she responded that:
“In the Australian example, as I recall, that was a buyback program……. I think it would be worth considering doing it on the national level” Hillary Clinton October 16 2015 http://www.c-span.org/video/?328774-1/hillary-clinton-town-hall-meeting-keene-new-hampshire

And as typical, she has tried to deny the obvious, but the words and articles from her Comrades on the national Socialist left make it clear that Confiscation is their ultimate goal. Their subsequent lies on the subject are condemned by their own words.

This will be a list of calls for repeal of the 2nd amendment, gun bans and Confiscation in more or less in chronological order, most will be links only to save space and restrictions.
I would ask that you try to just post links and excerpts to this thread such that is a good resource for FR, when the #nationalSocialistLeft trots out their ‘No one is talking about Confiscating guns’ LIE. Please read through the links and references and check them out for viability and accuracy. And if you think some I have missed, please list them here for everyone else's use.

Examining the list you will see the trends over the past few years. It began with the left wanting the “Assault Weapon” scam and registration. Then it transitioned to advocacy for the repeal of the 2nd amendment and followed recently with outright calls for confiscation.

Item one has a ‘moderate’ thrust with the ‘generous’ granting of the rights we free citizens have to possess a gun under their conditions (Isn’t that really nice of them?)

Mar 24, 2012
Yes conservatives, we want to take away your guns...
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/03/24/1077374/-Yes-conservatives-we-want-to-take-away-your-guns

“If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States, for an outright ban, picking up [every gun]…..Mr. and Mrs. America, turn ‘em all in.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-b45FdDN3s&feature=player_detailpage

Then of course the Sandy Hook terrorist attack took place and things changed overnight. Consider the context of that time. Obama had just stolen a second term in office and the national Socialist left was all aglow in their supposed preeminence over the forces of Freedom and Liberty. Shortly thereafter that attack took place and the national Socialist Left took this on as a sign that their moment had arrived and that this ‘Horrific’ attack would be THE moment to finally vanquish the people’s common sense civil right to armed self-defense.

December 2012
MSNBC’s Ed Schultz Talks Gun Confiscation
http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/dan-gainor/2012/12/16/msnbc-s-ed-schultz-talks-gun-confiscation

Muhlbauer: Ban, seize semi-auto weapons
http://carrollspaper.com/Content/Local-News-Archive/Local-News/Article/Muhlbauer-Ban-seize-semi-auto-weapons/1/1/14934

House Dem: Turn in your guns
http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/house/273753-house-dem-calls-on-people-to-turn-in-your-guns

Mr. Cuomo, speaking on WGDJ-AM, said: ‘Confiscation could be an option.’
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/21/nyregion/cuomo-says-he-will-outline-gun-measures-next-month.html?_r=1&;

In some cases the nation’s socialists went hog wild and indulged all their totalitarian fantasies:

How to Ban Guns: A step by step, long term process
The very first thing we need is national registry. We need to know where the guns are, and who has them.
Along with this, make private sales illegal.
We want to encourage as much voluntary compliance as possible.
So, we get those logbooks, and cross reference the names and addresses with the new national registry.
This exercise isn’t so much to track down every gun ever sold; the main idea would be to profile and investigate people that may not have registered their guns.
I’m concerned that other guy who bought a half dozen assault weapons, registered two hunting rifles, and belongs to the NRA/GOA. He’s the guy who warrants a raid.

So registration is the first step. Now that the vast majority are registered, we can do what we will.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/12/21/1172661/-How-to-Ban-Guns-A-step-by-step-long-term-process

Then the trend drifted over to one of repealing the 2nd amendment for awhile.

January 2013
Let’s Repeal the Second Amendment
http://www.vanityfair.com/news/politics/2013/01/kurt-eichenwald-lets-repeal-second-amendment

May 10, 2013
‘We needed a bill that was going to confiscate, confiscate, confiscate’ The Star-Ledger http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2013/05/pro-gun_advocates_angry_over_n.html#incart_m-rpt-1

April 30, 2014
Common sense calls for repeal of Second Amendment
http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/common-sense-calls-for-repeal-of-second-amendment/

May 30, 2014
It’s Time to Repeal the 2nd Amendment
http://www.sanjoseinside.com/2014/05/30/rich-robinson-its-time-to-repeal-the-2nd-amendment/

Then in the past year or so the talk verged more into the realm of outright Confiscation [or it’s innocuous sounding euphemisms: ban, Gun buyback, etc.]

Such as the case with Obama on June 10, 2014

“A couple of decades ago, Australia had a mass shooting similar to Columbine or Newtown. And Australia just said, well, that’s it - we’re not seeing that again. And basically imposed very severe, tough gun laws.”
https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2014/06/10/remarks-president-qa-david-karp-ceo-tumblr

Secondary source: OBAMA ENDORSES AUSTRALIAN-STYLE GUN CONFISCATION
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKSvxz5LHHw

Then again recently on October 01, 2015

“We know that other countries, in response to one mass shooting, have been able to craft laws that almost eliminate mass shootings. Friends of ours, allies of ours - Great Britain, Australia, countries like ours.”
https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2015/10/01/statement-president-shootings-umpqua-community-college-roseburg-oregon

Secondary source: 15-0711 Obama Endorses Gun Confiscation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxW6oCqEHaU

April 30, 2014
Common sense calls for repeal of Second Amendment
http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/common-sense-calls-for-repeal-of-second-amendment/

May 30, 2014
It’s Time to Repeal the 2nd Amendment
http://www.sanjoseinside.com/2014/05/30/rich-robinson-its-time-to-repeal-the-2nd-amendment/

December 2014
Time is overdue to repeal the Second Amendment
http://www.wisconsingazette.com/opinion/time-is-overdue-to-repeal-the-second-amendmentr.html

Then something seems to have snapped in the ‘collective’ conscience of the national socialist left and they let their mask fall completely off issuing myriad calls for Confiscation [With a cute little ‘carve-out for hunting weapons’ here and there]

May 28, 2014
You say gun control doesn’t work? Fine. Let’s ban guns LA Times
http://www.latimes.com/opinion/opinion-la/la-ol-gun-control-ban-homicides-suicides-20140528-story.html

January 7, 2015
Stop the insanity: Ban guns
http://www.tallahassee.com/story/opinion/columnists/ensley/2014/11/22/stop-insanity-ban-guns/19426029/

July 2015
Socialist Bernie Sanders Wants To Ban All Self-Defense Firearms
http://bearingarms.com/socialist-bernie-sanders-wants-ban-self-defense-firearms/

October 2015
Obama Praises Australia’s Gun Confiscation
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/380033/obama-praises-australias-gun-confiscation-charles-c-w-cooke

Thinking Beyond the Moment Talking Points Memo
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/thinking-beyond-the-moment

And here we have another case of the indulging in their most lurid of statist fantasies:
Effective Gun Control - A National Semi-Auto Ban
Act I Step 1:
The POTUS issues a EO, commanding the BATFE to “audit dealer record” - ie, look for “strawman sales” by reviewing each of the dealers Form 4473 records.
So, now we have ALL the records scanned... and a comprehensive list of who purchased what gun where.
Act II Step 1:
Strike a deal with the Republicans. For public consumption, word it as ambiguously as possible... as was the ACA (just pass it and we’ll find out what's in it) and stuff it into the next Continuing Resolution.
Step 2: Federalize (“second”) the National Guard of the respective states.
Step 3: Go door-to-door with your list of gun purchasers, and get access to the guns.
No gun? Where is it? Who has it? Where’s the paperwork? No gun, no paperwork?
Sadly, it appears the nationwide cell phone network is down, unless you’re using a government contract cell phone. Yes, surprise is key.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/10/5/1427845/-Effective-Gun-Control-A-National-Semi-Auto-Ban

[Mentioned earlier]
Clinton Praises Australian Gun Buyback Program http://freebeacon.com/issues/clinton-australian-style-gun-control-worth-considering-for-u-s/

A gun-free society The Washington Post
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/a-gun-free-society/2015/10/04/6da29040-69c4-11e5-9ef3-fde182507eac_story.html

November 2015
Yes, They Want to Take Your Guns Away The Daily Beast
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/11/02/yes-they-want-to-take-your-guns-away.html

Hillary Clinton Commits To Making 2016 a Referendum On Gun Confiscation
http://bearingarms.com/hillary-clinton-commits-making-2016-referendum-gun-confiscation/

December 2015
The Second Amendment must go: We ban lawn darts. It’ time to ban guns Salon
http://www.salon.com/2015/12/04/the_second_amendment_must_go_we_ban_lawn_darts_its_time_to_ban_guns/

We don’t need gun control. We need domestic disarmament Huffingtonpost
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/amitai-etzioni/needed-domestic-disarmame_b_8739712.html

declare these arms contraband and confiscate them Rolling Stone
[The assault weapons ban the NRA couldn’t stop]
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-assault-weapons-ban-the-nra-couldnt-stop-20151209?

End the Gun Epidemic in America The New York Times [First Front Page Editorial In 95 Years]
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/05/opinion/end-the-gun-epidemic-in-america.html

Secondary source:http://a.msn.com/01/en-us/AAg2dhB?

It’s Time to Ban Guns. Yes, All of Them New Republic
https://newrepublic.com/article/125498/its-time-ban-guns-yes-them

January 2016
Bernie Sanders backs Obama on gun control
http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2016/01/03/sotu-sanders-backs-obama-on-gun-control.cnn

Bernie Sanders backs Obama on gun controlhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWFHoghhIaw

Melissa Harris-Perry Confiscate Legal Guns
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7bSDUIbL9U

So when anyone of the national Socialist Left tries to claim that ‘No one is talking Confiscation’ show them this list.

['smith]

Great list!

[LucyT]

History has shown the 'progression' to be Registration, Confiscation, Annihilation.

The national socialist left has already been clear on the first two...

6 posted on ‎1‎/‎5‎/‎2016‎ ‎9‎:‎05‎:‎23‎ ‎AM by Torcert (Veritas odium paret. (Truth creates hatred.) - Terence)

It is my opinion that, under these EOs, any senior citizen who becomes ill, has to have a hospital stay or take pain medication, have home healthcare or who have a Power of Attorney Order so that their children can help them with business matters, etc., will also have their rights to protect themselves taken away.

Since there are no definitions provided (as usual) any of the above reasons or just about any the Regime cares to state, will be justification. And any senior citizen who lives in government subsidized housing might just as well resign themselves to being corralled in one of those sitting duck, gun free zones.

I've had enough attacks on my rights just because of my age. Bullies and tyrants always pick off the weakest first.

7 posted on ‎1‎/‎5‎/‎2016‎ ‎9‎:‎05‎:‎47‎ ‎AM by Aleya2Fairlie

Check out article.

(Those who seek to DISARM US, seek to HARM US.) .

[Torcert]

Thank You - please do me a favour and share it with everyone you can.

Obama even lied today about no one wanting to grab guns.

[Aleya2Fairlie]

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_HOMELESSNESS_MANDATING_SHELTER?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-01-04-21-26-36

This article about forcible removal of homeless people from the street might seem unrelated. But if you have the patience to read it all; it will demonstrate the mindset that gives government the “right” to take away freedoms based on their definition of what constitutes mental illness. The implications are indeed chilling. It has begun and on several fronts. May the Almighty help us.

[Pollster1]

Protecting guns:

Step 1 - vote, and get patriotic neighbors out to vote; have a list of neighbors who are conservative, and remind them to vote, providing transportation if needed

Step 2 - do not register your guns, buy and sell at gun shows or otherwise outside the formal record system so that there is no government record of what you have

Step 3 - when it’s time to hide/bury your guns, it’s time for a different response entirely

Step 4 - teach your own children to shoot, teach other children to shoot, teach young adults to shoot, expand the number of people who enjoy shooting so that we will remain the majority (the socialists see this as a very long term struggle, and we have a moral obligation to protect the next generation and the generation after that)

As a charter member of the Free Republic Canoe Club, I enjoy the standard joke as much as anyone, but if you actually need that excuse, it’s too late (for your guns, for your freedom, for your children, and for America). Obama is by far the most evil person ever to set foot in our White House, but he represents his voters. There are a lot of Americans who want tyranny, since they think they will get more than their share of the loot that an unrestrained government can take from innocent victims. We need to make sure that is never again the majority.

[sergeantdave]

Although you’ve listed a small number of articles that highlight your premise - Leftists want to confiscate your arms - it doesn’t necessarily follow that all leftists want their arms taken away.

For instance, look at this example that you link to:

Mar 24, 2012
Yes conservatives, we want to take away your guns...
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/03/24/1077374/-Yes-conservatives-we-want-to-take-away-your-guns

Here’s one comment following this article:

“You really ought to recuse yourself from the issue of firearms until you know what the hell you’re talking about.
You obviously don’t.”

Many other leftists who read this DailyKos article commented in a similar fashion in very colorful language that can’t be repeated here.

Documenting the leftist mantra about gun confiscation may be a worthwhile endeavor, but confiscation and who is for it, I believe, is an extremely complex question that can’t be easily answered.

I guess my point is that not all leftists, even though the call for confiscation mostly originates from the left, favor confiscation.

Maybe you could document calls for confiscation from politicians and public figures. That gives us figurative targets to shoot at. And those two groups mentioned above are certainly the money and brains behind the confiscation movement who need to be disarmed and wrecked on the reefs.

Good luck.

[Torcert]

I have no doubt that will just be the beginning.

Recall what happened in the old Soviet union where they would decide dissidents were mentally ill and institutionalize them.

You can best believe this won’t be the end of the issue, after the next few exploitative incidents, you can well wager that his majesty will be back one again to dictate more new laws.

[Torcert]

Yes, I had seen that referenced on another site but hadn’t delved into the details of the story, thank you for bringing to my attention.

It’s sound eerily similar to Obama’s actions via executive order, and it should be clear to all that we are on a slippery slope to tyranny.

May the Almighty help us. - Ditto on that score.

[danamco]

What were the Founding Fathers “requirements” to own fire arms???

[Torcert]

Protecting guns:

Step 1 - vote, and get patriotic neighbors out to vote; have a list of neighbors who are conservative, and remind them to vote, providing transportation if needed

Yes, I agree wholeheartedly. I know it's a cliche - but this time around, this election will determine the course of history for well neigh 100 years.

Step 2 - do not register your guns, buy and sell at gun shows or otherwise outside the formal record system so that there is no government record of what you have

Yes - people need be reminded this over and over. This is part of the reason I put some much work into this document - I want to make it clear to all that the national socialist left has the ultimate goal of confiscating guns.

Step 3 - when it's time to hide/bury your guns, it's time for a different response entirely

I know the saying that when the time comes to bury your guns, it's actually the time to use them. There is a lot of wisdom in that sentiment.
My only equivocation on that point would be to have one or more sets of firearms - one to have at the ready and one hidden away. Thus you have the best of both worlds. The bottom line on that is that the 'powers that be' cannot be assured of getting all the guns, and therefore would act as deterrent.

Step 4 - teach your own children to shoot, teach other children to shoot, teach young adults to shoot, expand the number of people who enjoy shooting so that we will remain the majority (the socialists see this as a very long term struggle, and we have a moral obligation to protect the next generation and the generation after that)

As a charter member of the Free Republic Canoe Club, I enjoy the standard joke as much as anyone, but if you actually need that excuse, it's too late (for your guns, for your freedom, for your children, and for America). Obama is by far the most evil person ever to set foot in our White House, but he represents his voters. There are a lot of Americans who want tyranny, since they think they will get more than their share of the loot that an unrestrained government can take from innocent victims. We need to make sure that is never again the majority.

Yes, I agree wholeheartedly on that as well. Yes, I'm doing the best I can to fight the good fight - including volunteering for political and gun rights campaigns.

[Torcert]

1. One could hardly say that was a small number - that was quite a few, and given that the lie from the national socialist left is that no one is talking about confiscating guns.

Or as the Dear Leader stated today on his dictation of new laws: "This is not a plot to take away everybody's guns"

2. That was but the first example from several years ago - and I did note that it was albeit a 'Moderate' viewpoint.

As trends the show, that 'Moderate' viewpoint has changed over the years to what was exemplified by one of the last items:

It's Time to Ban Guns. Yes, All of Them New Republic

The bottom line is we cannot take a chance of losing liberty to the national socialist left

[Alas Babylon!]

Did you read this one?

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/10/5/1427845/-Effective-Gun-Control-A-National-Semi-Auto-Ban

The KOS POS 43North wants to have a “Night of the Long Knives” where the National Guard and BATFAG come out and in one night or week (not sure of his timeline) take EVERYONE’S guns, killing any and all who oppose them, while having a complete media and Internet blackout while this happens.

President Obama then goes on the air announcing that he’s “solved” the gun problem and now private gun ownership is illegal.

In fact, 43North advocates shooting on sight any white male within 25 yards of a firearm “just in case”, while having the King’s Thug who shot him say “I thought he was going for his gun” while smirking and elbowing his compatriots.

43North states he was in Afghanistan, and what he’s proposing is how he dealt with village elders so it would be “easy”. And any judge or Republican politician who objected would simply be exterminated by the Obama administration’s henchmen right then and there.

He doesn’t seem to think that anyone would dare fight back against the military or police and if we did, we’d be no more effective than individuals nutcases or small bands of terrorists. I don’t know what unit he was in or if in fact he was ever in the military, but I know a lot of troops from Southern states who would frag anybody actually trying to implement such a—in reality—Soviet or Nazi style scenario against their own countrymen.

All of this government fascist law-breaking and total disregard for the Constitution is justified, in his eyes, because Bush did it first with the Patriot Act.

Read it an weep, folks. You worst totalitarian nightmare as proposed by a typical slack-jawed American Leftist yout.

What really gets me is very few find the idea appalling, most just doubt the logistics/timetable. None have problems with the outright murder and fascism because the intended victims are Republicans, rednecks and gunowners.

[sergeantdave]

“In fact, 43North advocates shooting on sight any white male within 25 yards of a firearm “just in case”

LOL!

Another leftist comicbook reader who fantasizes about committing mass murder. Probably runs around his mommy’s basement with a cape and Guy Fawkes mask while waiting for his hot chocolate and animal crackers.

[PLMerite]

“...where the National Guard and BATFAG come out and in one night or week (not sure of his timeline) take EVERYONE’S guns, killing any and all who oppose them, while having a complete media and Internet blackout while this happens.”

But how would they explain all those dead Feds the next day?

[Alas Babylon!]

But how would they explain all those dead Feds the next day?

How would that happen? Don't you know the slack-jawed Chrisitan Rednecks would break down into tears and plead for their very lives, like Afghani Tribal elders? All those tough, leftist federal agents who avow their oath to the Constitution, you know, like in those Marvel movies, so they can crack some hillbilly Republican skulls? He's seen it! It is so!

[PLMerite]

I used to work with military folks. Every once in a while I’d get one who thought like that. Then I explained the realities of the scenario. They looked at me differently afterwards.

[combat_boots]

bttt

[Torcert]

BTW, I'm still eagerly awaiting your response to my comments.

You said that

Although you've listed a small number of articles that highlight your premise - Leftists want to confiscate your arms - it doesn't necessarily follow that all leftists want their arms taken away.

I counted out around 30 different instances of the national socialist left calling for Gun Confiscation, Gun bans and repealing the second amendment or praising those action therein.

With one addition from yesterday:

Obama Praises Gun Policy of Totalitarian Communist Dictatorship https://shar.es/166QCq via @sharethis

And you label it a 'small number'?

What would you consider to be a 'Large number'?

Here we have most of the major publications of the national socialist media calling for the destruction of a basic natural and civil right and you try to diminish that threat with the characterization that it was a 'small number of articles'?

How many would it take to convince you that the national socialist left wants to confiscate guns?

40?, 50? 100? What is the magic number?

Then you further try to diminish the threat delving into the first and oldest example.

Did you investigate the rest of those items?

Even if you assume that an article entitled 'Yes conservatives, we want to take away your guns...'wasn't about taking away guns that's 1 versus 29 or 30 other instances.
[And I'm sure there will be more to come, the day and the year are still early]

[CodeToad]

[sergeantdave]

Not criticizing you, buddy. I just offered a suggestion to perhaps make your plan better.

Do what you want and see how it turns out.

Fair winds and a following sea.