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Obama set to unveil curbs on gun sellers (make sure your boating accident occurs before 12/31/15)
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Posted on 12/31/2015 7:11:20 AM PST by Red in Blue PA

According to gun industry insiders and others familiar with the proposals, the changes include requiring an expanded number of small-scale gun sellers to be licensed—and therefore conduct background checks—whenever selling a weapon. This wouldn’t close the so-called gun show loophole, though it has the potential to narrow it.

The administration is also expected to impose tighter rules for reporting guns that get lost or stolen on their way to a buyer.

(Excerpt) Read more at politico.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: atf; awb; backgrouncheck; backgrounchecks; banglist; batfe; eo; guncontrol; guns; obama
"I swear officer, my guns were lost last year"

F Obama.

And F his Unconstitutional EO's. Challenge every single one of them in court.

1 posted on 12/31/2015 7:11:20 AM PST by Red in Blue PA
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To: Red in Blue PA

A top gun industry executive defended the current definition, saying it requires dealers to make most of their living from gun sales before requiring a license. Based on conversations with ATF officials this month, the executive described the upcoming change as “overreach”: “If you are not doing it for the principal purpose of earning a livelihood AND earn a profit you are not engaged in the business as defined by Congress,” he said in an email.

Another victory for advocates is likely to be a new requirement for all licensed dealers and manufacturers to report to federal authorities any guns that are stolen in transit to a buyer as missing from their inventory. Currently, advocates say, thieves often target packages addressed to gun retailers in the hopes of stealing unregistered guns that are harder to trace. And while buyer and seller might sort out refunds or replacements on their own, they’re not required to report the missing guns to the National Crime Information Center.

ATF first proposed the new regulation in August 2014, which industry opposed, saying a voluntary reporting program was working just fine. But the year-and-a-half lag between the rule’s proposal and finalization is another factor urging Obama to act forcefully as he enters his last year.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/12/obama-guns-gun-control-217234#ixzz3vualoIxd


2 posted on 12/31/2015 7:13:03 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (war is peace, freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength, obama loves America)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Since EOs can only change what a govt agency does; how can an EO effect individual sellers?

I know its a useless question since he ignores the law. As does the DOJ, FBI, ATF and other alphabet agencies.


3 posted on 12/31/2015 7:13:23 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver
Since EOs can only change what a govt agency does; how can an EO effect individual sellers? I know its a useless question since he ignores the law. As does the DOJ, FBI, ATF and other alphabet agencies.

Yep - the EOs, instead of becoming laws, become "rules" for the Federal agencies "overseeing" the People. Since most of these agencies are staffed by folks who agree with Obama, or value their jobs enough to sell their souls, the "rules" become defacto law...

We are so screwed unless we get a Cruz (or a Trump) in the WH...

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4 posted on 12/31/2015 7:19:00 AM PST by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: Red in Blue PA

“...impose tighter rules for reporting guns that get lost or stolen on their way to a buyer.”

It is unfortunate there are so many bodies of water between a seller and buyer of guns. According to this new rule to report loses into water plus so many guns stolen between the time a seller sends them in the mail and the buyer gets them, there is going to a huge stack of paperwork to report these millions of guns stolen or lost in water.


5 posted on 12/31/2015 7:20:12 AM PST by Marcella (CRUZ (Prepping can save your life today))
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To: Red in Blue PA

The good news is that Cruz can just ERASE all of Bambi’s fascist mandates.


6 posted on 12/31/2015 7:31:28 AM PST by G Larry (ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS impose SLAVE WAGES on LEGAL Immigrants.)
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To: Red in Blue PA


7 posted on 12/31/2015 7:37:40 AM PST by Iron Munro (The wise have stores of choice food and oil but a foolish man devours all he has. Proverbs 21:20)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Just a bunch of posturing by the Enemy-In-Chief.


8 posted on 12/31/2015 7:39:50 AM PST by SkyDancer ("Nobody Said I Was Perfect But Yet Here I Am")
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To: Iron Munro

My preference would be for 0bama to categorize me as an undocumented federal firearms dealer!

9 posted on 12/31/2015 7:42:19 AM PST by Blue Jays (Rock Hard, Ride Free)
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To: Red in Blue PA
Hey, time was in the '90s that anybody could get their FFL and be legally able to ship guns, buy guns across state lines, and have mail order guns shipped directly to their homes.

Then the ATF tightened the requirements for an FFL to the point that only those who were actually engaged in a demonstrable business activity could hold an FFL, and the number of licenses dropped from a peak of about 250,000 in 1993 to about 50,000 today.

If the ATF wants to go back to issuing FFLs to anyone who wants one and passes the background check, I'm all for it.


10 posted on 12/31/2015 7:42:27 AM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Standing by to enthusiastically ignore illegal and un-Constitutional EOs....


11 posted on 12/31/2015 7:46:34 AM PST by ThunderSleeps (Stop obarma now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: Yo-Yo

“If the ATF wants to go back to issuing FFLs to anyone who wants one and passes the background check, I’m all for it.”

From the gun sales figures, it doesn’t seem that anything Obola can do will stop the flood (and I use that term in the best sense of the word) of new guns to our citizens.


12 posted on 12/31/2015 7:47:52 AM PST by vette6387
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To: Red in Blue PA

You sold them at a gun show?


13 posted on 12/31/2015 7:49:14 AM PST by nomad
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To: Blue Jays
My preference would be for 0bama to categorize me as an undocumented federal firearms dealer!


14 posted on 12/31/2015 7:51:44 AM PST by Iron Munro (The wise have stores of choice food and oil but a foolish man devours all he has. Proverbs 21:20)
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To: Red in Blue PA
According to gun industry insiders and others familiar with the proposals, the changes include requiring an expanded number of small-scale gun sellers to be licensed—

Bill Clinton got rid of 70% of FFL's in the mid '90's. Too many small dealers.

Now the control freak wants them back. Background checks for "small dealers"?

15 posted on 12/31/2015 8:13:00 AM PST by TYVets
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To: Red in Blue PA
Just remember this classic I found in the achieves:

50 Ways Lose your hardware [Humor Vanity]
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2196228/posts

16 posted on 12/31/2015 8:24:46 AM PST by Torcert (Veritas odium paret. (Truth creates hatred.) - Terence)
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To: Red in Blue PA

I would think that a gun in a certain state that was sold to someone else in that state, would be beyond the reach of this rule.


18 posted on 01/01/2016 10:05:10 AM PST by jim_trent
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To: Marcella
The 'boating accident' meme is amusing, but consider this: In Nazi Germany, when they came collecting the guns they knew you had (via registration), if you 'lost them' or 'sold them', they would smile, and light your house on fire.

"Ah! We zee that you are right! Zere were no guns found in zee ashes!"

19 posted on 01/01/2016 10:08:42 AM PST by Lazamataz (It has gotten to the point where any report from standard news outlets must be fact-checked.)
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