Posted on 12/20/2015 11:54:48 AM PST by daniel1212
What is the Islamic State?... Major General Michael K. Nagata, the Special Operations commander for the United States in the Middle East, admitting that he had hardly begun figuring out the Islamic State''s appeal. ''We have not defeated the idea,'' he said. ''We do not even understand the idea.''..
The Islamic State, also known as the Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham (ISIS), follows a distinctive variety of Islam whose beliefs about the path to the Day of Judgment..
We have misunderstood the nature of the Islamic State in at least two ways. First, we tend to see jihadism as monolithic, and to apply the logic of al‑Qaeda to an organization that has decisively eclipsed it...
We are misled in a second way, by a well-intentioned but dishonest campaign to deny the Islamic State''s medieval religious nature...
There is a temptation to rehearse this observation—that jihadists are modern secular people, with modern political concerns, wearing medieval religious disguise—and make it fit the Islamic State. In fact, much of what the group does looks nonsensical except in light of a sincere, carefully considered commitment to returning civilization to a seventh-century legal environment, and ultimately to bringing about the apocalypse...
The reality is that the Islamic State is Islamic. Very Islamic....pretending that it isn''t actually a religious, millenarian group, with theology that must be understood to be combatted, has already led the United States to underestimate it and back foolish schemes to counter it....
(The Islamic State claims that common Shiite practices, such as worship at the graves of imams and public self-flagellation, have no basis in the Koran or in the example of the Prophet.) That means roughly 200 million Shia are marked for death...
(Excerpt) Read more at theatlantic.com ...
Following takfiri doctrine, the Islamic State is committed to purifying the world by killing vast numbers of people...
Centuries have passed since the wars of religion ceased in Europe, and since men stopped dying in large numbers ..
Muslims who call the Islamic State un-Islamic are typically, as the Princeton scholar Bernard Haykel, the leading expert on the group’s theology, told me, “embarrassed and politically correct, with a cotton-candy view of their own religion†that neglects “what their religion has historically and legally required.†Many denials of the Islamic State’s religious nature, he said, are rooted in an “interfaith-Christian-nonsense tradition.â€because of arcane theological disputes. Hence, perhaps, the incredulity and denial with which Westerners have greeted news of the theology and practices of the Islamic State. Many refuse to believe that this group is as devout as it claims to be, or as backward-looking or apocalyptic as its actions and statements suggest....
He regards the claim that the Islamic State has distorted the texts of Islam as preposterous, sustainable only through willful ignorance. “People want to absolve Islam,†he said. “It’s this ‘Islam is a religion of peace’ mantra. As if there is such a thing as ‘Islam’! It’s what Muslims do, and how they interpret their texts.†Those texts are shared by all Sunni Muslims, not just the Islamic State. “And these guys have just as much legitimacy as anyone else.â€..
Leaders of the Islamic State have taken emulation of Muhammad as strict duty, and have revived traditions that have been dormant for hundreds of years. -------------------------------
Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise. But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now. Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman. So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free. (Galatians 4:28-31)
And while some allege that the OT likewise supports Islamic jihad, the context of the commands of bloody conquest in the OT were,
1. Preceded by unmistakable supernatural attestation as to God being the author of such, versus just some visions by a man who wondered at first whether they were demonic.
2. Limited to certain people groups which were within geographical boundaries, versus broad commands in disjointed suras as to kill the unbelievers, which can easily be applied worldwide. Thus even hardline Jews in Israel today are not working to kill or subdue all the unbelievers wherever they find them in the world by the sword of man, while if fundamental Muslims had Israels weaponry they would seek to do so if they could.
3. The much more comprehensive revelation of the OT provides extensive historical narratives and legislation which provide for a consistent theology. And provide for a new covenant under which warfare is only by spiritual means.
Which is in contrast to disjointed suras which at best work against excluding worldwide bloody jihad against unbelievers anywhere, but at worse, and with the example of Muhammad supporting it, support it.
And Islam anything close to a NT like new covenant would be while Muhammad was in Mecca as a minority, to which time the few Qur'anic text promoting tolerance belong, followed by the majority when he was the majority in Medina and advocated bloody jihad.
Thus it is hard for "moderate" Muslims to oppose those who advocate such today.
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They need to be defeated so resoundingly that any survivors are humiliated and ashamed to have been part of it.
And the region needs to be won to Christ.
It is interesting the way socialists approach theological concepts but when it comes to Islam they are not the only ones who refuse to approach the issue. That even includes leading Christian clergy including Pope Francis.
Followers of Mohammed not only claim, but truly believe that God has authorized them to kill those who refuse to submit to their version of Gods will.
That is a basic tenet of that religion. A claim which goes unchallanged. While it is understandable for atheists which most socialists are, not to approach that claim on a theological basis but by bombing and killing those who believe in it will not end its practice. Islam as construed with its portrayal of a mercyless evil deity approving using deception and deceit is an abomination which must be discredited and condemed. And that can only be done by attacking its assertions and tenets. Certainly not by deying they do not exist. .
But bewildering why many Christian clergy concerned about quote, political correctness, unquote, refuse to address what an insult to God it is and worse yet are unable to condem then convince and convert its advocates and adhearants they are followers of an evil creed .
The Koran which was not given to Mohammed by God but by some angel .Demanding enforcement of sharia law which draws heavily from the Torah.It is a pseudo religious concoction using monotheistic selected texts, taken and misconstrued from the old (bible) and new testaments.
Both of which cite the Almighty has granted free will to accept or obey his laws and God is the final judge not man: Sodom and Gormora ,and Let he who is without sin cast the stone, are outstanding examples from both books. One deals with sin and Gods decision toward a group the other to an individual, neither is left to man.
Yet followers of Mohammed under the severest of penalties are forbidden to read either which would refute that assertion in a creed which institutionalizes disgusting arab tribal views, observances,and customs. Claiming adhearants are authorized by our Creator to demand submission to it or suffer an ignominious death administered by followers of Islam simply because they answer the call to prayer 5 times a day.
http://www.theusmat.com/islamandfreewill.htm
A very salient point and question. Why are those targets still standing?
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Muslims who call the Islamic State un-Islamic are typically, as the Princeton scholar Bernard Haykel, the leading expert on the group’s theology, told me, “embarrassed and politically correct, with a cotton-candy view of their own religion” that neglects “what their religion has historically and legally required.” Many denials of the Islamic State’s religious nature, he said, are rooted in an ‘interfaith-Christian-nonsense tradition’ because of arcane theological disputes. Hence, perhaps, the incredulity and denial with which Westerners have greeted news of the theology and practices of the Islamic State. Many refuse to believe that this group is as devout as it claims to be, or as backward-looking or apocalyptic as its actions and statements suggest....
He regards the claim that the Islamic State has distorted the texts of Islam as preposterous, sustainable only through willful ignorance. “People want to absolve Islam,” he said. “It’s this “Islam is a religion of peace” mantra. As if there is such a thing as ‘Islam’ It’s what Muslims do, and how they interpret their texts. “Those texts are shared by all Sunni Muslims, not just the Islamic State. “And these guys have just as much legitimacy as anyone else ... “
In Christian understanding, the Old Testament was the schoolmaster to lead unto Christ.
It was managed under different rules than the kingdom of Christ, which is as love-focused as is possible in this mortal coil. The Old Testament was managed under rules that would make sense to the self-focused, even though it thereby incurred burdens of pride. Its authority, in a way, could even be seen as an authority incurred under a voluntary act of pride, namely the claim of the Hebrew people to be able to keep the Law of the God that had saved them, even though Moses warned them that they could not. God accepted the claim even though He knew it would fail, while mercifully providing for personal salvations anyhow by virtue of an earlier promise.
Anyhow, to look at the Old Testament to get literal directions on how to live today that there is an explicitly revealed Christ is like using a tin can telephone in the Internet age. Christians grasp this more or less, in spite of “legalism” problems. Islam, to put it very charitably, missed it, in fact it has some intensely evil impulses in it.
Evangelism looks to me more and more like it’s going to be the only answer. To try to civilize Islam as it exists, and I’ve proposed this as a hypothesis, will be like trying to wash a turd clean.
For whatever it’s worth. The book of Revelation doesn’t even seem to show any sign of an Islam existing. The One World Religion has taken hold, and nobody is bucking it except for Christian believers. Something has gotten to Islam by that point, and I doubt it was the One World Religion directly — Islam would be too stiff to get along with something like that. Maybe it has been evangelized, but then the Arabic peoples have still been weak in their faith.
This is all very admittedly IMHO, maybe I have missed something, maybe I have assumed something wrong. But this place is loaded with $0.02’s so I don’t see it wrong to add my own.
“..Islamic State is committed to purifying the world by killing vast numbers of people... ..”
And Obama administration is inviting Syrian SUNNI Muslims into our country, even though ISIS has said they will infiltrate with the “refugees.”
“some 98% of all refugees belong to the same Islamic sect as ISIS does.”
more:
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2015/11/exposed_obamas_love_for_jihadis_and_hate_for_christians.html#ixzz3sSMFSdzH
Furthermore, Obama is not inviting nearly as many Syrian Christians, even percentage-wise, though it is the Christians who are being attacked by ISIS.
Make sure you learn how to use a fire arm well. Obama won’t protect us.
In Mecca, Mohammad had 150 followers, after moving to Median and proclaiming all he had preached prior was void as allah now said to kill kill kill ... he gained thousands and more as the jihad began.
Ans so it was that the destruction of the grain basket of the ancient world - the North African coast from Mauritania to Egypt was turned into semi-arid desert; so it was that classical western civilization was nearly extinguished; so it was that classical Christianity was utterly eradicated. All in 100 years ...
They call themselves the Caliphate. Is it any wonder muslims are drawn to it? People are drawn to movements and this is a movement to consolidate the muslim world around the goal of dominating the earth with Islam.
The only way to do that is to utterly destroy the Kaaba in Mecca. Allah protect it and the Islamic faith - to destroy one is to discredit allah and show it to be weak and a false god. Nukes are needed for this untidy job - a weapon no other can match - afterward no muslim is going to pray to a proven false god in a radioactive glassy patch of ground. This must be done at the height of the Haj without warning - tens of thousands dead along with the destroyed Kaaba is the message to send which ends Islam once and forever.
Sounds like something the devil would try to do, huh.
Mad Mo’ was the first violent Jihadi and expects his followers to follow his example.
You and what army, is the question.
We mortals like to think we can short cut the plans of the real God. It’s interesting to talk about as a hypothetical action. But not even Israel would do that. And any serious Christians would be horrified.
Sounds like something which has to happen or you will be learning the koran - don’t care much who takes credit. Just do it.
Find me the command in the scriptures? Sounds like the tooting of pride to me.
Islam's goal is extermination of infidels. That's the medicine they need to be given.
Islam's goal is extermination of infidels. That's the medicine they need to be given.
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