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Cruz's debate win means it's intervention time for Trump supporters
The Hill ^ | 12/1715 | Ed Zipperer

Posted on 12/17/2015 4:26:22 PM PST by VinL

Are you a conservative? Are you rocking so much conservative street cred that you chose to stay home rather than vote for Republican nominees Mitt Romney in 2012 or John McCain in 2008 because you consider them undercover liberals, a couple of donkeys outfitted with fake trunks? Do you look at the big government left and the big government right and have trouble telling them apart? Do you currently support Donald Trump?

If you answered "yes" to the above questions, this intervention is for you.

I don't want to make you angry. I don't want you to make you scream at me on Twitter. I don't want to make you call Rush Limbaugh and tattle on me. I just want to show you how your support for Trump is affecting the people who care about you and what the consequences will be.

According to the Mayo Clinic, you can't argue with facts or with my "emotional response to the problem," so I'm going to try to do this using Mayo Clinic intervention-approved "I" statements.

I was upset and hurt when you supported Donald Trump because ...

No real conservative has emerged from a Republican primary since Ronald Reagan. George H.W. Bush, Bob Dole, George W. Bush, John McCain, Mitt Romney — let's face it, the establishment has dominated the primary for a long time. No surprise. That's whom it was invented to cater to.

But now — thanks to President Obama's incompetence — the pendulum is swinging hard to the right. According to the Realclearpolitics average, only 43 percent of Americans approve of the job the president is doing. This is finally the time!

Right now, you, the conservative base of the Republican party, have the best candidate they've ever had. Sen. Ted Cruz (Texas) is smart, he's a great debater, he isn't afraid to mention Jesus in his ads and he never backs down on his positions. He's Voldemort-level character in the minds of most Democrats (Voldemort is the bad guy from that book you probably told your grandkids not to read. They read it anyway).

Cruz outshined every other candidate in last night's debate. He was strong on foreign policy without promising to trample the Constitution. You love the Constitution! Remember?

Cruz schooled Sen. Marco Rubio (Fla.) on illegal immigration:

There was "a time for choosing," as Reagan put it. Where there was a battle over amnesty and some chose, like Rubio, to stand with Obama and [Democratic New York Sen.] Chuck Schumer and support a massive amnesty plan. Others chose to stand with [Republican Alabama Sen.] Jeff Sessions and [Iowa Rep.] Steve King and the American people and secure the border.

He outlined conservative priorities:

Cutting taxes, cutting regulation, unleashing small businesses and rebuilding the military to defeat radical Islamic terrorism — our strategy is simple. We win, they lose. We've done it before and we can do it again.

Cruz is the first bona-fide conservative candidate I've seen in my lifetime who stands a chance of making it all the way to the White House. But, instead of seizing the opportunity to elect a true conservative, you have chosen to cast your primary vote for Trump.

I was upset and hurt when you supported Trump because ...

Trump wants to grow the size of government, spend massive amounts of taxpayer money and trample the Constitution.

He uses Democratic Party talking points to attack true conservatives. Last week, he called Cruz a "maniac." Last night, he walked it back, but only because it gave his conservative supporters a glimpse of who he really is.

Cruz believes what you believe. Trump pretends to believe some nasty caricature of what polling data told him you believe.

I was upset and hurt when you supported Trump because ...

The big-spending establishment Republicans failed us. The politically correct, identity-politics-obsessed bigger-spending liberals failed us. In 2016, America will finally be ready for a conservative voice, but that voice won't be there. Instead, we'll hear the voices of Trump and probably Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton arguing over whose version of single-payer universal healthcare is better. There will be no conservative voice and, ironically, it will be you who silenced it.


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To: Pravious

Actually, I agree with you- the writing is atrocious— ending his sentences in prepositions and grammatical havoc all over the place.

But, here’s the “Zip’s credentials:

Zipperer is assistant professor of political science at Georgia Military College.


41 posted on 12/17/2015 4:49:17 PM PST by VinL (It is better to suffer every wrong, then to consent to wrong.)
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To: Axeslinger
And Cruz hasn't been trashing the establishment?

Where did I say anything like that?

Please show me where, so that I may correct it.

Your really should get out more.

My what really should get out more?

All trump has been doing is flapping his gums pitching his woo at you.

He's made billions of dollars, I figure he can't be too much of a dumbass.

Once you marry him

I'd have to see a dollar figure but true story he could probably afford it.

you'll be looking for the nearest battered woman's shelter.

I like the baked ones, them battered women make all manner of mess on the cooking surfaces.

42 posted on 12/17/2015 4:49:24 PM PST by humblegunner (NOW with even more AWESOMENESS)
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To: VinL
In 2016, America will finally be ready for a conservative voice, but that voice won't be there. Instead, we'll hear the voices of Trump and probably Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton arguing over whose version of single-payer universal healthcare is better. There will be no conservative voice and, ironically, it will be you who silenced it.

This is exactly the warning some of us have been trying to spread here for quite some time now.

Cruz has momentum and he's the best conservative candidate. Let's get behind the best choice for a change.

43 posted on 12/17/2015 4:49:36 PM PST by Colonel_Flagg (Revenge is a Daesh best served cold.)
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To: VinL

The takeaway from Tuesday night is that while Cruz and Rubio got into a lawyerly spat nobody wounded the front runner DJ Trump. So now the two senators are still duking it out for a distant second and Trump is running away with it. Most of the pundits saw what I saw Tuesday night. Trump closed the deal with the Republican voters.


44 posted on 12/17/2015 4:49:39 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: VinL

45 posted on 12/17/2015 4:50:16 PM PST by dynoman (Objectivity is the essence of intelligence. - Marylin vos Savant)
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To: VinL

46 posted on 12/17/2015 4:50:17 PM PST by perfect_rovian_storm
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past

Trump has done. I think, though, in office he will end up selling out the people who support him. You will get your wall. Everything else is up for grabs.
___________________________________________________________

Everyone that knows Trump personally say he is loyal to a fault.


47 posted on 12/17/2015 4:51:19 PM PST by Amntn
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past
-- Back when there were no cars or planes or television, it made sense to stagger the primaries. --

Before cars, there weren't primaries. The first primary election (a creation of the political parties) was in 1910.

48 posted on 12/17/2015 4:51:37 PM PST by Cboldt
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To: perfect_rovian_storm

You model your candidate well.


49 posted on 12/17/2015 4:51:56 PM PST by Colonel_Flagg (Revenge is a Daesh best served cold.)
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To: Axeslinger

Thanks for proving my point. Yet another hysterically emotional nonsensical attack without a shred of factual evidence to back it up.

http://www.ontheissues.org/Donald_Trump.htm


50 posted on 12/17/2015 4:52:03 PM PST by MNJohnnie ( Tyranny, like Hell, is not easily conquered)
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To: humblegunner

“My what...” It’s really not very nice of you to pick on my one typo...I’m typing on a phone for pity’s sake! ;)

I never called trump a dumbass...I don’t believe that for a nanosecond. I do believe that he’s almost the worst possible candidate we could run. I do believe that if he wins, he’ll be the last republican president for a generation.


51 posted on 12/17/2015 4:55:12 PM PST by Axeslinger (Where has my country gone?)
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past

The system definitely needs an overhaul. I live in an SEC primary state now so my (primary) vote actually matters, but before that the nomination was determined before my state’s primary. It was always frustrating to not really have a say.


52 posted on 12/17/2015 4:55:49 PM PST by FourPeas (Tone matters.)
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To: VinL

1. Cruz did not win the debate. He came across as an arrogant bully, talking over everyone including the moderators. He may be right in his position against Rubio but Rubio also came across as believable and scored points by mentioning National Security. Christie easily schooled both of them for the way they were acting.

2. This conservative’s talking points are immigration and refugees. Cruz has not yet said he will DEPORT anyone other than those who run into the criminal justice system. He will not stop Muslims except those from designated areas. Even I am not dumb enough to believe that will work.

3. Trump did not walk back maniac, he said Ted’s judgment was fine. That’s after showing Ted exactly what will happen if he starts anymore throwing rocks. By the way, heard of keep your friends close and your enemies closer?

4. The democrats and Hillary will destroy Cruz. Flat out destroy him, no matter how good a debater he is. They will bring up his birth and no matter how good his case is or what the law says, this country went through that 8 years ago and won’t buy it this time. In the minds of the public, it is perception, not fact.


53 posted on 12/17/2015 4:56:09 PM PST by Duchess47 ("One day I will leave this world and dream myself to Reality" Crazy Horse)
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To: VinL
No real conservative has emerged from a Republican primary since Ronald Reagan

Ronald Reagan did not win two huge landslides because he was a conservative. He won them because he was a nationalist, and a patriot.

let's face it, the establishment has dominated the primary for a long time. No surprise.

No, it's no surprise, because engagement with religious nuts has ruined conservative after conservative.

I wish the religious nuts would, for once, demonstrate that they can help an decent conservative candidate WIN AN ELECTION, instead of causing them to lose.

54 posted on 12/17/2015 4:57:12 PM PST by Jim Noble (Diseases desperate grown Are by desperate appliance relieved Or not at al)
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To: VinL
I personally prefer Cruz but would vote Trump as well, however, this article is a load of pure establishment minded horse shit.

It makes the establishment minded assumptions the first of which is; We are all republiCrats.

I PROUDLY AND MOST CERTAINLY AM NOT! I didn`t leave that lie spouting, backstabbing, weaseling party of traitorous closeted progressives, they left Conservatives like me!

And lastly: That it somehow, in it`s shit for brained line of progressive addled thinking, owns my vote. IT DOES NOT!

SO, I`ll vote for whom ever I GOD DAMNED WELL PLEASE! And if the author doesn`t like it, HE CAN GET MOST SEVERLY BENT!!!

55 posted on 12/17/2015 4:57:45 PM PST by nomad
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To: Cboldt

My bad. Still, transportation and communication were not then what they are now.

Thanks for the info. I still say the primary system is grossly unfair. It is often decided before I even get to vote.


56 posted on 12/17/2015 4:57:54 PM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: House Atreides

Yes it seems Trump and Cruz have more similarity than difference. Hillary slithers along and Trump/Cruz supporters fight each other??? Not the smart ones.


57 posted on 12/17/2015 4:58:18 PM PST by EaglesUpForever
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To: VinL

“Trump wants to grow the size of government, spend massive amounts of taxpayer money and trample the Constitution. “

Cruz is my favorite but I fail to see how he concludes Trump would do any of the above.


58 posted on 12/17/2015 4:58:58 PM PST by TexasGator
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past
Do you have any fear that Trump will one day trash your conservative principles?

None, because if the border is not closed and the rabble expelled, "conservative principles" will be meaningless.

59 posted on 12/17/2015 4:59:09 PM PST by Jim Noble (Diseases desperate grown Are by desperate appliance relieved Or not at al)
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To: VinL

Imagine if Trump had been in a position to vote according to his past positions. As it is, his supporters are operating on blind faith made possible by a case of deliberate amnesia.


60 posted on 12/17/2015 4:59:38 PM PST by conservativejoy (Pray Hard, Work Hard, Trust God,,,, We can elect Ted Cruz!)
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