Posted on 12/15/2015 9:51:08 AM PST by Red Steel
You trying to pull a Harvard joke on me Dawg?
Tune into Rush today, he is explaining why Trump is running away with it. He is describing you to a T.
I am old enough to remember when they were pretty tight and we did alright then. I remember when Made in the USA was like the Gold standard which we used to have. Japan sent us toys made of beer cans and tools that were not much better. Now they make better products than we do and they have practically zero immigration.
Steve Wozniak coughed up $5,000,000.00 to move to Australia and attain citizenship, here we invite in welfare cases. Does something seem off about that to you? If not that proves Trump's assertion that we are stupid.
Why would I need Rush to learn about Trump supporters? I have you.
So how did we morph from banning all foreign visitors to banning all foreign visitors and imports?
My wife’s grandfather was an immigrant from Germany. He earned his citizenship by fighting in the Spanish American War. He became a teacher. During WWI he was fired from his job, their house and all their possessions were burned to the ground. They relocated to a different state; they were penniless and what few clothes they had turned to rags. It was only by the grace of God that they didn’t starve and managed not to die of exposure.
During WWII there were many Japanese who openly practiced the Shinto “religion” which meant at that time that they worshipped the Emperor Hirohito as a God. Many sent their children to Japanese schools which taught the superiority of the Japanese over all other peoples. The Japanese had plans to attack the West Coast of the United States. Anyone who thinks that it was not prudent to place them in internment camps is not aware of all of the circumstances from that time period. The best intelligence available was used to make the determination of what should be done.
My wife and I set up living history displays and give presentations at schools, museums, and for community and military groups. We have some Japanese friends who do the same type of thing trying to “educate” people about the Japanese internment during WWII. We always cringe because they constantly refer to the internment camps as “concentration camps” and make other comparisons to the Nazis which is completely inaccurate. My wife’s grandparents would have been very happy if during WWI they would have been at least given a place to stay, warm clothing and food.
The progressive rewriting of history is very disturbing when even people who consider themselves to be Republicans supporting Jeb Bush feel that the internment of the Japanese was wrong. Those who know the true history know that it was not wrong... a credible threat was addressed the best way they could figure out during a war time crisis. War is not fair... it is what it is... Hell.
“Declare a war against an identifiable enemy and we’ll talk about matters of engaging in war.”
So, we must wait for our government overlords to move before we may recognize that the muzzies are at war with us, is that right?
“But you want to make them impenetrable to everyone from outside the country. That doesn’t help our survival either.”
At this juncture, it certainly does.
“It was generally effective in preventing sabotage.”
Sounds like gun-grabber reasoning: “wholesale confiscation & prohibition is generally effective in preventing shootings.” Punish thousands on the grounds that one _might_ do something bad.
I oppose the internment of American citizens. Period. If you don’t have an articulable case against an individual, and cannot get an adjudicated conviction, you have no Constitutional power nor individual right to [for all practical purposes] incarcerate that person. This also applies (insofar as the Bill of Rights enumerates natural & inalienable rights which all enjoy and which we will, at least domestically, protect) to non-citizens with whose home country we hold “normal” relations.
Citizens & members of avowed hostile countries/groups may be deported. Those who attempt to establish extra-legal governance (ex.: Sharia) may/should be deported (our government has a monopoly on governance; maintaining order within associations like schools, churches, HOAs, or societies requires separate discussion).
Japanese internment of Americans is grounds for war. Put ‘em on a boat and send ‘em home, fine; practically put ‘em in prison for being Americans, let ‘em leave or we’ll take them with extreme prejudice.
If the immediate issue at discussion is really “how do we deal with non-state-sponsored terrorism?” then we can start with (A) adhere to our Bill of Rights if only to indicate when we’re taking a wrong path, and (B) get the investigating agencies in question to ACTUALLY DO THEIR JOB - which I suspect the current Administration is actively discouraging. The real problem is our “national security” has implemented “national security theater” instead. The “no fly list” aka “terrorism watch list” should be acted upon in earnest (make your case & get ‘em out, or vet & vindicate them). Every single “no go zone” should have top “go, with extreme prejudice if necessary” priority. Recognize that “the people” ARE “the militia”, and encourage every citizen to do their part to actively protect their 1/350,000,000th part of the country.
Confiscating all the possessions of, and indefinitely deporting or incarcerating, people based solely on their skin color and their choice of worshiping a rock is NOT acceptable.
“The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures”
‘Unreasonable’ is the word you are skipping over. The actions were reasonable and necessary.
Although it was not adopted until after WWII, the 4th Geneva Convention recognized that internment of civilians can be necessary. See Art. 42 and surrounding articles, and 83 and following. “The internment or placing in assigned residence of protected persons may be ordered only if the security of the Detaining Power makes it absolutely necessary.”
Get back to me when your argument is more sophisticated than a re-write of the Left’s “the NRA is a terrorist organization, and their members should be jailed/killed and their lawful possessions confiscated.”
“You want to apply a civil war, with open rebellion at hand to people who were rounded up solely based on their ethnicity? I’m sorry, THAT is road to apples.”
Solely based on their ethnicity? Have you never heard of the Second World War?
“Other than you strawman argument about the KGB I fail to see a point.”
Of course you fail to see a point. Thank the KGB for that.
“There is no difference between what the British did to the Boers and FDR’s round up of the Japanese. The only thing that FDR didn’t do was neglect the internees to the point of starvation.”
Let’s see, now: according to you, one group was starved, the other was not, and there is no difference. Damn, those KGB guys were good.
“A low bar to jump if you’re only saying he avoided committing crimes against humanity.”
I gather that you would have required so much more of him. Right then, with Japanese spies operating both in Hawaii and on the mainland, with dead sailors rotting in the sunken hull of the Arizona, with Japanese submarines operating off the West Coast, with the Japanese attacking Australia, the Philippines, China, Singapore, Hong Kong, Indochina, and on, and on, and on, you would have the president agonizing night after night about the degree of luxury to which Japanese Americans were entitled?
I hope South Park takes that one and runs with it.
Ah, you’re now quoting European law to justify actions contrary to the US Constitution?
Even if, for sake of argument alone, I consent to your interpretation of “unreasonable”, you still lack the warrant “upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.” Get that, search away, and if you fine nothing leave the person alone; if you find something appropriately condemning, prosecute accordingly. Taking everything they have, and throwing them in prison (however cushy), requires their day in court.
As it is, the domestic examples in question were (post-attack) discovered to have copious concrete & circumstantial evidence against them, and were being observed for such behavior. We have Constitutional means to handle such before attacks are carried out; seems our Executive branch lacks the will to act thereon.
“History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the week or the timid. - Ike”
Nor does it entrust it to those who cannot tell truth from lie.
When the Left says “the NRA is a terrorist organization” they are lying, but when anyone says “muslim terrorists are terrorists,” they are telling the truth.
Very little sophistication should be required to understand that.
A little more might be required to understand that “ordinary” muslims are the sea in which the terrorists swim.
If you want to get rid of the terrorists, you must dry up the sea.
Re post 205:
Great post.
Yeah OK, so I guess Obama can round us all up because of that crazy shooter in South Carolina. It’s OK though, so long as we got plenty to eat in our FEMA Camps.
Have fun living in your Police State, but I prefer living in a society where people aren’t detained indefinitely. I’m sure the KGB would be proud of you for being such a loyal comrade.
You keep trying to say ALL Concentration Camps are death camps like Auschwitz, which is a canard.
And yes, it DOES matter even in the face of threats. It’s people like that wholead us down the slippery slope to practicing torture and totalitarianism. But I’m sure you’re fine with NSA surveillance and the patriot act.
Everything is fair in love and war. War is not a game. It is a brutal affair. Wars must be fought to win. If that requires internment of a group, so be it.
You are exactly right. We ARE STUPID. I checked into immigrating to New Zealand. They want $1.5 million investment to bring with, then they will award residency. And must pass their English test.
We are in total agreement!
Internment of Japanese and Germans probably saved a lot of lives.... both theirs and those not interned.
One incident could have resulted in mob rule.
I get sick of people bashing the US for Japanese internment.
The big issue to me is that their property needed to be protected and returned after the war.
“You keep trying to say ALL Concentration Camps are death camps like Auschwitz, which is a canard.”
I think you’re confused as to who has been saying what.
At least, that’s the only way I can account for your post.
Concentration Camp - “A camp where persons are confined, usually without hearings and typically under harsh conditions, often as a result of their membership in a group the government has identified as suspect.” American Heritage Dictionary
I fail to see how pointing out a commonly accepted premise, that the Internment Camps are essentially the same as Concentration Camps in other parts of the world in history is so outrageous.
Then you insinuated Communist brainwashing due to the objection of such a practice, which is commonly done in Communist states, as being antithetical to America’s values.
So please, provide me a reason as to why they are to be considered categorically different from a prison camp, other than “they weren’t actively treated badly” or that they had adequately supplied. So does not killing imprisoned people not make it a prison?
Also, I’m also curious as to how opposing such a system like the GULAG and believing in the Writ of Habeas Corpus is “Communist”. I believe blind loyalty to a government’s institutions, regardless of morality or natural law, as being rather characteristic of Communism personally...
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